- From: Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 00:48:51 -0300
- To: Simon.Cox@csiro.au
- Cc: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfpschneider@gmail.com>, public-schemaorg@w3.org, W3C Semantic Web IG <semantic-web@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAOLUXBtRqvJ3QPMpHoBAFQK8BiQ=pAWOPWZ+Ub5aPFqKkmjVyg@mail.gmail.com>
Events denoting dimensional changes of State (measures / observations) over an entity? Periods / processes: spans while an observation in respect to a (dimensional) concept remains the same? State: countryPresident, Event: presidentialElection, Period / Process: presidentialRuling. Still thinking in a more semiotical / dimensional approach. On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 10:58 PM Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com> wrote: > Semiotically, an Event could be regarded as the occurrence of a Concept in > the form of a Sign for a given Object (metaclass / class / instance > relationship). Occurrences of entities happens as dimensional measures, not > only temporal or physical ('birthdays' could be a 'dimension'). Measures > bring Data from which Contexts (schema) could be aggregated. And from > schema one could infer Interactions or roles in behaviors (DCI OO design > pattern). > > This is roughly sketched at: > https://github.com/ssamarug/ssamarug/blob/master/Metamodel.pdf?raw=true > > I think dimensional modelling approach is not only useful in OLAP cubes > but also in the Semantic Web. For example in this Event / Period dilemma. > > Is this discussion pertinent to the SW community in general > (semantic-web)? As this is an ontological issue I'm including the > corresponding list. Regards, > > Sebastián. > http://exampledotorg.blogspot.com > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 10:38 PM <Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote: > >> That is signified by the fact that '19 June 2018' doesn't have a name, >> only an index. >> >> An 'event' that happened on that day would probably have a name relating >> to the activity. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider [mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, 20 June, 2018 11:17 >> To: public-schemaorg@w3.org >> Subject: Re: Historical events >> >> I think that ages are qualitatively different from events. Consider a >> very short age - 19 June 2018. As far as I am concerned that is not an >> event. >> >> >> peter >> >> >> >> On 06/19/2018 05:06 PM, Anthony Moretti wrote: >> > Look, I'm no temporal expert or anything, but maybe the problem is in >> > English it could be a continuum from "event" to "period" as the >> > interval of time being named gets longer, with no clear boundary. >> > >> > Mike's birthday party - an event >> > The Middle Ages - a period >> > >> > Because from a data modeling point of view they're the same (at least >> > as far as my modeling knowledge goes). >> > >> > So an unpopular solution I'm guessing would be to rename the type to >> > *EventOrPeriod*. >> > >> > So your previous example: >> > >> > The Black Death >> > superEventOrPeriod: The Middle Ages >> > >> > People's ideas? >> > >> > Anthony >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:10 PM Richard Wallis >> > <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com >> > <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Anthony, >> > >> > I’m not following your logic here. I don’t see a Period (of time >> from a >> > start time/date to an end date/time) as an event. >> > >> > ~Richard. >> > >> > Richard Wallis >> > Founder, Data Liberate >> > http://dataliberate.com >> > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis >> > Twitter: @rjw >> > >> > On 20 June 2018 at 00:05, Anthony Moretti < >> anthony.moretti@gmail.com >> > <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > That definitely works, but only if some definition of Period was >> > agreed on. >> > >> > The property periodEventOccurred would be a subproperty of >> > superEvent in any case: >> > >> > superEvent >> > >> > periodEventOccurred >> > >> > >> > So you could describe the same information using the existing >> term >> > right? >> > >> > The Black Death >> > >> > superEvent: The Middle Ages >> > >> > >> > Anthony >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:50 PM Richard Wallis >> > <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com >> > <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Using a Period Type I would suggest a cleaner alternative >> way of >> > saying an event occurred during a period would be like this: >> > >> > { >> > "@context": "http://schema.org", >> > "@type": "Event", >> > "name": "The Black Death", >> > "Description": "A pandemic that spread throughout Europe", >> > "periodEventOccured": { >> > "@type": "Period", >> > "name": "The Middle Ages", >> > "approximateStartDate": "400AD", >> > "approximateEndDate":"1500AD" >> > } >> > } >> > >> > On 19 June 2018 at 23:41, Anthony Moretti >> > <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto: >> anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > I was referencing the development version of Schema, I >> > should probably reference production, sorry Roger: >> > >> > * https://schema.org/subEvent >> > * https://schema.org/superEvent >> > >> > To say some event happened during the Iron Age for >> example: >> > >> > Invention of iron plow >> > superEvent: Iron Age >> > >> > >> > Anthony >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:05 PM Muri, Allison >> > <allison.muri@usask.ca <mailto:allison.muri@usask.ca>> >> wrote: >> > >> > The google Cloud host is really slow and I think >> the 404 >> > is a result of something loading too slowly. I could >> > probably publish this more reliably on my own >> website! I >> > generally just wait a bit and reload the page. Sorry >> > about that. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Roger Rohrbach >> > <roger@ecstatic.com <mailto:roger@ecstatic.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> >> I get 404 Not Found for both of those pages. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Anthony Moretti >> >>> <anthony.moretti@gmail.com >> >>> <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Isn't it already modeled by these properties?: >> >>> >> >>> * https://webschemas.org/subEvent >> >>> * https://webschemas.org/superEvent >> >>> >> >>> Events can exist in part-whole hierarchies, aren't >> >>> named periods just events high in these >> hierarchies? >> >>> >> >>> Anthony >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >>
Received on Wednesday, 20 June 2018 03:49:55 UTC