Re: Historical events

> Does an event become historical, as soon as it is in the past? What are
the attributes that make such a ‘historical’ event? Is it just that it has
‘historical significance’?

Interesting point. The DanceEvent stuff I put up is of very small interest
once past and I am pleased that Google seems to act on my page headers  <meta
name="robots" content="unavailable_after: dd-mmm-yyyy hh:mm:ss UTC">

However my *value judgement*  may annoy dance historians?


On 3 June 2018 at 12:35, Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>
wrote:

> One thing is clear to me from this thread, is that the current description
> of Event <http://schema.org/Event> does not do a good job in making the
> breadth of its potential usage clear.  In some eyes it seems to limit its
> usage to current commercial uses.  The lack of diversity in the supplied
> examples goes to reinforce this view.
>
> As a result of this observation I have raised an issue in the Schema.org
> Github (#1931 <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1931>),
> proposing a rewording thus:
>
> An event happening at a certain time past or future and location physical
> or virtual, such as a concert, lecture, meeting, festival, or historical
> event. Repeated events may be structured as separate Event objects. Where
> applicable ticketing information may be added via the offers property.
>
>
> In addition I have proposed an extra example, based upon my previous Magna
> Carta example.
>
> Although it does not address some of the points about new types/properties
> being discussed, I believe it would be a useful in any case.
>
> Allison , it is good to hear that you managed to follow posts to get a
> localised working version of Schema running, to explore your thoughts on
> this.
>
> On a couple of specific points….
>
> HistoricalEvent - I am still unconvinced that the definition of an event
> that is historical would be clear enough.  Does an event become historical,
> as soon as it is in the past?  What are the attributes that make such
> a ‘historical’ event?  Is it just that it has ‘historical significance’?
>
> HistoricalPeriod - I think there is some potential for a new type here,
> probably based upon Event (to follow Schema.org patterns) — describing The
> Jurassic Period, The Middle Ages, Elizabethan Era, the 1960’s, etc. needs
> some help from the vocabulary.
>
> Webfeet raises some good points.  I am reading it as a historical event,
> is just like any other event except it has historical significance.  In
> fact most any thing can have historical significance, a place a person, a
> creative work etc.  What is being suggested is use of the Multi Type Entity
> (MTE) feature in Schema.org - any entity can be described of being of more
> than one type.
>
> The MTE functionality was used very effectively in the introduction of the
> TouristAttraction <http://schema.org/TouristAttraction> type - any type
> of thing can be a tourist attraction, in the same way any type of thing can
> have historical significance.  There is a bit more detail here:
> https://dataliberate.com/2017/09/19/schema-org-for-tourism/.
> Coincidentally, this is the same approach being taken in the currently
> pending Archives proposal
> <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1758>.
>
> Allison, I encourage you in your efforts; be they result in proposals for
> some additions/adjustments to the core Schema.org vocabulary,
> a ‘historical’ hosted extension <http://schema.org/docs/extension.html>
> or an external extension, or more likely some combination of these.
>
> ~Richard.
>
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>
> Richard Wallis
> Founder, Data Liberate
> http://dataliberate.com
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
> Twitter: @rjw
>
> On 3 June 2018 at 07:31, Webfeet <schema@webfeet.org> wrote:
>
>> On 02/06/18 06:46, Muri, Allison wrote:
>>
>> ... I am interested in providing microdata that is parallel to,
>>> equivalent to, something like FoodEvent when it comes to history and
>>> culture. Why is FoodEvent appropriate and not HistoricalEvent? I’m just
>>> curious about pursuing the best approach. I’m not proposing anything: I am
>>> suggesting options, and asking for expert advice on what might be worth
>>> pursuing ...
>>>
>>
>> .... As an interested observer, my gut feeling is that "historical
>> importance" is orthogonal to the type of event. You could have Music
>> Events, Sports Events, Theatre Events (or whatever) that "become"
>> historically interesting...
>>
>> Would it not be possible to mark up an event with an addtional
>> "HistoricalSignificance":
>>
>>    ... "@type" : [ "Event", "HistoricalSignificance" ]
>>
>> "HistoricalSignificance" properties could then hold information about
>> what the context is, who thinks the event is significant, when they thought
>> so, why, to whom, etc...
>>
>> As an additional benefit, this could extend to Places with Historical
>> Significance, People with Historical Significance...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Webfeet...
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