- From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:38:59 +0000
- To: Brian Tremblay <schema@btrem.com>, public-schemaorg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CAM1Sok2MxS=k=EJvOQn7keqiLTUnP2D2c6q_36Kco=kej-vF4w@mail.gmail.com>
I think developing: https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1493 has alot of merit. On Tue., 21 Mar. 2017, 9:35 am Brian Tremblay, <schema@btrem.com> wrote: > On 3/19/17 11:57 AM, Thad Guidry wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 1:24 PM Brian Tremblay wrote: > >> > >> On 3/18/17 4:29 PM, Thad Guidry wrote: > >>> On 3/18/17 11:55 AM, Brian Tremblay wrote: > >>>> On 3/17/17 6:13 AM, Thad Guidry wrote: > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 7:59 AM BJM wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Would like to propose the addition of "MedicalSpa" to the > >>>>>> schema library. > >>>>> > >>>>> +1 for MedicalSpa. Looks like an industry gap that needs > >>>>> filled > >>>> > >>>> Really? What is this gap? Are there search engines looking for > >>>> this schema? Are there /any/ tools that would use this new type? > >>> > >>> the below trending data is just from one search engine > >>> > >> > https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=USq=medical%20spa,day%20spa,medical%20clinc > >> > >> What this shows is that people are searching for medical spa; what > >> it does not shown is that the proposed schema for MedicalSpa will > >> help them. It won't, unless Google or other entities actually make > >> use of the schema. > > > > Correct Brian. And no one can make use of a schema ... that does > > not exist first. > > Yeahbut schema.org has /already/ created hundreds of schemas. How many > are meaningfully used? 10? Take the example at hand. Is anyone doing > anything with DaySpa? What about its parent, HealthAndBeautyBusiness? Is > anyone using that? If there's no real usage, then why create a sub-type > MedicalSpa? That's just another schema that no one is using. > > There's a sense here that there's no harm in creating new schemas, but > there is. The community is expending resources creating new schemas, and > authors must search an ever-expanding number of schemas to find the > right one. So there's a cost; what is the benefit? In many cases, there > appears to be none. > > > But perhaps you don't quite realize how Schema.org works. > > http://videolectures.net/iswc2013_guha_tunnel/ > > > > Which is why BJM initially created this type addition request. So > > that applications, Search Engines, and others can make some sense of > > it. > > Search engines ignore most schemas, afaict. In the past, when people > have asked if they'll be used, the answer is, "you never know". IMHO, > that's not good enough. There's an implication that using e.g. microdata > with a schema.org vocabulary will have some benefit to the author. I > think that implication is disingenuous. > > > The typical flow with Schema.org is > > > > Step 1. Create schema. > > Step 2 & 3 in nearly lockstep. Community and applications/search > > engines begin using the schema created in step 1. > > Step 4. Everyone benefits much more than they did compared to 20 > > years ago. > > Steps 2 and 3 don't seem to happen very much, except with a handful of > vocabularies. > > I realize this is a chicken and egg predicament. Search engines can't > consume a schema that no one uses, and no one will use a schema that > search engines don't consume. But it seems to me that we should take a > bit more of the "pave the cowpaths" approach. What are authors currently > doing, and what are search engines currently doing? and use that as a > model for vocabs. > > -- > Brian Tremblay > >
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