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Re: Health-Lifesci extension question

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 03:33:52 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM1Sok0Krhywx7nQQcZQtxWBkENNKiYRnW=d+3O-c4fyqfovqg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Mitch DeFelice <mitch.defelice@gmail.com>, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
Cc: "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
Cheers.  Will do.

On Wed., 14 Sep. 2016, 12:54 pm Mitch DeFelice, <mitch.defelice@gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you’re looking for a definitive definition of Health-Lifesci terms you
> might want to consider looking at Unified Medical Language System (UMLS)
> library (registration required).  It has a pretty extensive category of
> items about any medical term, including Diet ;-)
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> Kind Regards,
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> Mitch DeFelice
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> Sr. Solution Architect
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> Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas
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> Email: mitch.defelice@gmail.com
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> *From: *Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:13 PM
> *To: *Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Marc Twagirumukiza <twamarc@gmail.com>, "schema.org Mailing List" <
> public-schemaorg@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Health-Lifesci extension question
> *Resent-From: *<public-schemaorg@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:13:59 +0000
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> so,
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> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=diet+food+drinks&tbm=shop
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> Results show the top food results relating to health often relates to
> pet-care.
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> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=diet+meal&tbm=shop  isnt much better.
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> https://www.google.com.au/search?tbm=shop&q=dietary+supplements  shows
> mostly pills (note the use of the term 'dietary supplements')
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> https://www.google.com.au/search?tbm=shop&q=diet+lifestyle yields books
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> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=diet+lifestyle&tbm=isch yields a bunch
> of images saying "not a diet, its a lifestyle"
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> and i haven't seen a diet cola bottle yet.
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> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 at 11:17 Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Tim,
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> No one is trying to change the definition that we currently have in
> Schema.org
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> In the world there are generally 2 generally used definitions of Diet.
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> 1. That typically spoken about by a Biologist. (biological needs of a
> lifeform)
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> 2. That typically spoken about by a Nutritionist.  (Lifestyle or
> Restricted or Health goal oriented)
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> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2138622
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> Schema.org has # 2 (well, mostly aligned with # 2)
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> The namespace is health-lifesci.schema.org
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> Wikidata.org has # 1 (currently, but were the referenced Wikipedia article
> meaders back and forth between # 1 and # 2...but no matter, the Wikidata
> topic is firmly in the realm of # 1 with its current description)
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> The two classes are not equivalent but where Dan and others are saying #2
> could be thought of as a subclass of #1.
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> IMHO the use of 'diet' in search has an array of semantics.  I responded
> due to the implications the use of a term such as 'diet' may relate to
> medical conditions (ie: in food-ingredients and menu related lists) so
> people can buy a food that is compatible with those intending to consume
> it.
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> Research shows; the term 'diet' is also used for selling pet-food, protein
> shakes, books, diabetes information sessions, etc.  The current wikidata
> term (which doesn't really fit) speaks more of (1) as well pointed out.
>  nutrician seems to be a better fit for the current usage of 'diet' however
> the schema hierarchy of defining the health-usage of the term 'diet' under
> 'lifestyleModification' and thereafter is defined as a subclass of
> http://health-lifesci.schema.org/LifestyleModification that has a
> description of "A process of care involving exercise, changes to diet,
> fitness routines, and other lifestyle changes aimed at improving a health
> condition." which as a class appears to relate to
> http://health-lifesci.schema.org/MedicalEntity - which is a term 'loosely
> coupled' with other Agents such as 'fitness instructor' of 'chef', who with
> the best of intentions - may be an expert of an element.
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> I'm OK with that and now just need to get Wikidata 'external subclass'
> figured out.
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> I've posited the question to them on their mailing list and awaiting a
> response.
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> I think dan also noted not to worry to much about it, and i understand
> your trying to map wikidata.  So, perhaps simply - duly noted for now?
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> Diet has an array of very important medical uses that relate specifically
> to search.  Diet can also be used when searching for dog-food.  Search
> currently appears to benefit from the use of the term diet for dog-food,
> protein powders, and books.
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> Thad
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> +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry>
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> Tim.H. ;)
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