- From: Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:51:34 -0600
- To: Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com>
- Cc: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>, Elias Kaerle <elias.kaerle@sti2.at>, Bäck, Gerald <gerald@baeck.at>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
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+1. In addition to small blogs, this relationship exists in large organizations as well: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=who+is+the+publisher+of+the+New+York+Times%3F Cheers, --Eric On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com> wrote: > "Broadening out the question of the possibility of a publisher being a > Person or an Organization, to any CreativeWork, that does in this age of > self-publishing have something [i]n its favour." > > +1 to this. The requirements of specific data consumers entirely aside, > one more than one occasion having Organization as the sole expected type > has either struck me as limiting, or *has *been limiting. To cite the > most obvious use case, the publisher of a single-author blog is almost > always the Person who is that single author, and it's limiting not to be > able to declare that without either reverting to a text string or using an > unexpected type. > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Richard Wallis < > richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote: > >> From a Schema.org vocabulary point of view no properties are deemed to be >> required. >> >> In the case of the Google SDTT complaining about missing fields it is >> advising you on *their* requirements for displaying information about >> organisations (e.g.. asking for a logo) etc. Questions regarding the needs >> should be addressed to their developer mailing lists. >> >> This list is inly for discussions regarding the vocabulary itself. >> >> In the particular circumstance you describe, I would probably not have >> applied a publisher to individual BlogPostings for which an author would >> suffice. However I would have associated each post as being ‘partOf’ a >> Blog which optionally would have a ‘publisher’ reference. >> >> Broadening out the question of the possibility of a publisher being a >> Person or an Organization, to any CreativeWork, that does in this age of >> self-publishing have something n its favour. >> >> ~Richard. >> >> >> >> Richard Wallis >> Founder, Data Liberate >> http://dataliberate.com >> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis >> Twitter: @rjw >> >> On 7 June 2016 at 11:44, Elias Kaerle <elias.kaerle@sti2.at> wrote: >> >>> Hi Gerald, >>> >>> I agree. Another solution could be to simply accept schema:Person and >>> schema:Organization as publisher. >>> >>> Maybe one of the people maintaining schema.org can comment on that >>> issue!? >>> >>> Best, Elias >>> >>> >>> On 07.06.2016 10:59, Bäck, Gerald wrote: >>> > Hi Elias, >>> > >>> > the interesting thing is, if you put a logo field into the person >>> entity, >>> > google validator claims that a logo field is not valid within the >>> person >>> > entity:) The conclusion is that persons cannot be publishers, which is >>> > simply wrong. >>> > >>> > My proposal is to get rid of the publisher entity as a requirement, >>> because >>> > blogposts and websites still need an author which should be enough for >>> > private run blogs. >>> > >>> > best wishes, Gerald >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > DI Gerald Bäck | fb <https://facebook.com/geraldbaeck> | blog >>> > <http://www.baeck.at/> | devblog <http://dev.baeck.at> | fitblog >>> > <http://fitness.baeck.at> | +43 664 5107761 <+436645107761> >>> > >>> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Elias Kaerle <elias.kaerle@sti2.at> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi Gerald, >>> >> >>> >> this is indeed a strange behaviour. I would blame it on the way >>> Google's >>> >> structured data testing tool works: it does, as far as i know, not >>> >> necessarily validate/verify annotations strictly the way schema.org >>> >> defines them, but more in a way they need the annotations for feeding >>> >> their Rich Snippets and Rich Cards. >>> >> >>> >> So I would assume Google doesn't care about having a schema:Person as >>> a >>> >> publisher, but requires a logo (or some kind of picture) to process a >>> >> beautiful Rich Snippet/Rich Card out of it. >>> >> >>> >> Best, Elias >>> >> >>> >> On 07.06.2016 08:36, Bäck, Gerald wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am currently doing my first steps with JSON-LD and try it on my >>> private >>> >>> blog. As far as I understand Blogposts do require a publisher field, >>> >> which >>> >>> can only be an organisation. But I think it should be possible for >>> >> persons >>> >>> to be publishers too, but I also would like to question, that >>> blogposts >>> >> or >>> >>> even Websites do need a publisher field at all. >>> >>> >>> >>> I tested my blog with Google's Structured Data Testing Tool. >>> >> Interestingly >>> >>> enough the tool did not complain about the publisher being a Person, >>> but >>> >>> that the publisher entitiy had no logo, which on the other hand is >>> not >>> >>> allowed as a field for a person. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> https://search.google.com/structured-data/testing-tool#url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baeck.at%2Fblog%2F2016%2F05%2F30%2FWahlmanipulationen%2F >>> >>> >>> >>> I also tested the root of my blog, which is defined as website, also >>> with >>> >>> myself as a publisher person. This time the tool was fine with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> https://search.google.com/structured-data/testing-tool#url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baeck.at%2F >>> >>> >>> >>> thx, Gerald >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> DI Gerald Bäck | fb <https://facebook.com/geraldbaeck> | blog >>> >>> <http://www.baeck.at/> | devblog <http://dev.baeck.at> | fitblog >>> >>> <http://fitness.baeck.at> | +43 664 5107761 <+436645107761> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Elias Kärle, MSc >>> >> Semantic Technology Institute >>> >> University of Innsbruck >>> >> >>> >> ICT - Technologie Park Innsbruck >>> >> 2nd Floor, Room 3S02 >>> >> Technikerstrasse, 21a >>> >> 6020 Innsbruck >>> >> Austria >>> >> >>> >> Tel.: (+43) 512 507 53738 >>> >> Skype: elias.kaerle >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Elias Kärle, MSc >>> Semantic Technology Institute >>> University of Innsbruck >>> >>> ICT - Technologie Park Innsbruck >>> 2nd Floor, Room 3S02 >>> Technikerstrasse, 21a >>> 6020 Innsbruck >>> Austria >>> >>> Tel.: (+43) 512 507 53738 >>> Skype: elias.kaerle >>> >>> >> > -- *Eric Axel Franzon* LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel G+: http://http://gplus.to/ericfranzon Online Business Card: http://ericaxel.magntize.com
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