Re: [schemaorg] Vocabulary for comics (#378)

Hi Sean,

My personal opinion is that the work you and the previously referenced draft on the Wiki <http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Periodicals_and_Comics_synthesis> are within the scope of this group to discuss.

As Jeff indicated, there is some overlap and/or mismatch between your discussions of Role and similar concepts from the Library of Congress Relator Codes and WikiData.  How these terms are defined/referenced in the vocabulary is then a question.  I am always sceptical of statements such as “set that covers the major…”, because it is very difficult to a)get agreement on what is major and b) what do you do about defying the minor ones.

Your use of the term name ‘role’ conflicts with the Role<http://schema.org/Role> type in Schma.org<http://Schma.org>, which in itself is not a problem (you could use creativeRole for example).  However in covering off this need, I think it would be worth considering the creation of a ContributionRole subtype of Role which would allow the qualification of the contributor relationship between CreativeWork and Person or Organization.  Then using the roleName attribute the type of contribution could be qualified either by a URL to the Library of Congress Relators, or WikiData, etc. definitions, or, if not available, in plain text.

~Richard

On 11 Mar 2015, at 21:13, Sean Petiya <spetiya1@kent.edu<mailto:spetiya1@kent.edu>> wrote:

I've been working on a comic book ontology, and would like to share how I've handled roles.

(A) Each comics specific role, or at least major role (e.g. penciller, letterer, inker) has its own property [1]
(B) Usage of a general 'role' property for other credit descriptions [2]

For what its worth, all URIs in this namespace are dereferenceable. Jeff, hopefully this project appears more mature and developed than when I first shared it with you. :)

Regarding the Periodicals/Comics proposal, I think penciler/inker/letterer is a good, comics-specific set that covers the major comic book credits (plus schema:author, schema:editor, etc.). Artist is also helpful for covering credits like painter, illustrator, and even designer. While I have not specified a cover artist property in the current version of the ontology, coverArtist would be a very useful and important property, especially for retailers as this is often a major selling point.

Is the proposal on the SchemaBibEx wiki open for discussion or input? I would be interesting in participating.

Sean Petiya

[1] https://comicmeta.org/cbo/contributor.html (see subproperties)
[2] https://comicmeta.org/cbo/Role.html (see individuals)


On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org<mailto:jyoung@oclc.org>> wrote:
Forwarding the message below to SchemaBibEx for comment:

I think we talked at some point about “MARC Code List for Relators” as a potential set of “extension” properties to Schema.org<http://Schema.org>.

http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/relators.html

The comic proposal includes some that could be accounted for there and some that can’t:

artist      =>           http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/relators/art
colorist =>           http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/relators/clr
coverArtist
inker
letterer
penciler

I noticed recently, though, that WikiData is starting to account for a surprising number of these relationships with multilingual labels available:

artist                      http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q483501
colorist                 http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q873236
coverArtist
inker                      http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1153051
letterer                http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q658404
penciler

Some are also represented as outright properties in their vocabulary:

http://www.wikidata..org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Works<http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Works>

Jeff

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Here:
http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Periodicals_and_Comics_synthesis

there is some work done to add comics support to schema.org<http://schema.org/>. I'm using
that on a personal project (http://github.com/davide-romanini/scrooge<https://github.com/davide-romanini/scrooge>).
What about integration of that work on main stream? Probably the most useful feature are the additional specialized types.

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