Re: Periodical relationships: continues / continuedAs properties?

We've been discussing these journal title relationships in the GOKb project and just to share some of this:

The relationships can be more complex than simply 'replaces' in that you may have a journal split into multiple parts, or be the result of multiple titles merging into one.
Libraries describe (or have the ability to describe) these relationships relatively richly in MARC
The library descriptions are based on only every relating the immediate relationships (i.e. previous in chain, next in chain)
You may sometimes know that two titles are related but not exactly how they are related

At the moment out thinking in GOKb is:

We won't try to describe these relationships in detail but stick to the simple 'earlier related title' and 'later related title'
This allows us to deal with a situation where a publisher says 'Now called' but doesn't necessarily say if there are intermediary steps in the renaming chain.

It may be worth us considering this scenario if we want to model title-to-title relationships in schema.org

Other title relationships we've considered in GOKb are:

'Translation of'
'Supplement to'

I'm not sure how common these are or how important to model though

Owen

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On 28 Nov 2013, at 17:20, Dan Scott <denials@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Niklas Lindström <lindstream@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is a good example of using these for descriptions of periodicals, but
>> I'm sure they work for many kinds of creative works.
> 
> Right, that's why I was wondering about CreativeWork relationships :)
> 
>> I believe these two, albeit being somewhat more specific, are similar to
>> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/replaces> and
>> <http://purl.org/dc/terms/isReplacedBy>. So we should see if we can align
>> with these. (Just like we should for the many other general relationships
>> for creative works (as well as properties such as tableOfContents) in DC.)
> 
> Ooh, great catch!
> 
>> By the way: shouldn't [1] be replaced by [2]?
> 
> Maybe? [2] isn't linked from the vocab proposals page (or from
> anywhere else in the wiki, actually), which is probably why I found
> [1].
> 
>> Cheers,
>> Niklas
>> 
>> [1]: http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/CreativeWork_Relationships
>> [2]:
>> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Schema_CreativeWork_Relationships
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Dan Scott <denials@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a reasonably common case for periodicals / serials where a
>>> title change or publisher change necessitates the creation of a new
>>> entity; for example, "Chemical Innovation" (published by the American
>>> Chemical Society from 1971-1999) was previously published as
>>> "Industrial & engineering chemistry" and continued publishing
>>> thereafter as "Chemtech".
>>> 
>>> I thought that the CreativeWork Relationships proposal [1] might have
>>> covered this, but it focuses on "workExample" and "exampleOfWork"
>>> which isn't a match.
>>> 
>>> Do we feel a need for these properties at this time, either in the
>>> Periodical proposal or the CreativeWork Relationships proposal?
>>> 
>>> 1. http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/CreativeWork_Relationships
>>> 
>> 
>