Re: audiobook options in objects

Owen,

I think you're on the right track.

I would argue that schema:CreativeWork should be used to represent "content" and schema:Product be used to represent "carrier". FRBR Manifestation is then an amalgamation of schema:CreativeWork and schema:ProductModel. FRBR Item would be schema:CreativeWork and schema:IndividualProduct. Our notion of "Holding" would be schema:creativeWork and schema:SomeProducts.

I believe that Richard started to mock up an example on the wiki.

http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Examples/mylib


Jeff

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On Feb 9, 2013, at 10:42 AM, "Owen Stephens" <owen@ostephens.com> wrote:

> Looking at this again I think what I feel most unhappy with the modelling I've done is:
> 
> A) It treats something that is 16 CDs as essentially a single thing (says its a cd containing a 22hr CDDA encoded audio object
> 
> B) It conflates the format (cd) with the creative work. This would make it awkward to code a page which listed the work then multiple access options (audio cd, mp3 on physical media, mp3 for download, ogg vorbis for download etc)
> 
> If it were just multiple formats for download you could do this adequately using audioObject - but the mix in of physical media stops this.
> 
> Being able to this kind of listing seems pretty fundamental - whether for a library or a store.
> 
> It might be that this can be achieved by mixing in a schema.org/product? This would make more sense - the cd set is a product, as is the physical media+mp3, as is the mp3 for download.
> 
> However not quite sure how to model this right now.
> 
> Does my concern make sense?
> Anyone want to suggest how product would interact here?
> 
> I think I'm sticking to a pretty straightforward real world scenario here not just dreaming up an abstract concern?
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
> On 9 Feb 2013, at 03:57, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
> 
> > Great, owen. I'll work on proposal 2 since that seems to be the mostly likely one in my set. I'm not clear about repetition of property names in schema.org -- is it legit to have two schemas that both have a property "isbn"? I believe this was discussed either here or on the public-vocab list, and I was left with the impression that the URI pattern is
> >
> > http://schema.org/[property]
> >
> > and not
> >
> > http://schema.org/Book/[property]
> > http://schema.org/Audiobook/[property]
> >
> > Can anyone confirm? Because that would knock out a couple of the options that are currently on the page.
> >
> > kc
> >
> > On 2/8/13 3:46 PM, Owen Stephens wrote:
> >> OK - I've given markup a go for Proposal 5 - not done this before so likely be errors/misconceptions on my part so anyone should feel free to chip in and improve.
> >> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Object_Types#Proposal_5

> >> Owen
> >>
> >> Owen Stephens
> >> Owen Stephens Consulting
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> >> Email: owen@ostephens.com
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> >>
> >> On 8 Feb 2013, at 18:01, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@KCOYLE.NET> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So many choices! :-) Should the next step be to try to encode a few items and see how it works?
> >>>
> >>> Also, the creativeWork "encoding" is *supposed* to be of type MediaObject. Does that make a difference?
> >>>
> >>> kc
> >>>
> >>> On 2/8/13 7:46 AM, Owen Stephens wrote:
> >>>> Hi Karen,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm inclined to ignore that definition of Media Object :) There is no reason why an Audio-book shouldn't be embedded in a webpage so I wouldn't want to exclude this either)
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you could make use of the Creative Work property "encoding" rather than making it a type of Media Object - which allows some split of content and carrier? (not wishing to resurrect that discussion!)
> >>>>
> >>>> This would allow:
> >>>>
> >>>> Proposal
> >>>> Thing > CreativeWork > Audiobook
> >>>> Thing > CreativeWork > Book > Audiobook
> >>>>
> >>>> New properties for audiobook type
> >>>>
> >>>>    • readBy -- expected type: Person
> >>>>
> >>>> Properties likely to be used from Book
> >>>>
> >>>>    • bookEdition (for abridgement note)
> >>>>    • isbn
> >>>>
> >>>> With a separate Media Object to be created and referenced using 'encoding' property from CreativeWork?
> >>>>
> >>>> I've added as Proposal 4
> >>>>
> >>>> Owen
> >>>>
> >>>> Owen Stephens
> >>>> Owen Stephens Consulting
> >>>> Web: http://www.ostephens.com

> >>>> Email: owen@ostephens.com
> >>>> Telephone: 0121 288 6936
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8 Feb 2013, at 15:23, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I wrote up three options for audiobook:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Object_Types#AudioBook

> >>>>>
> >>>>> A key question here is whether we can re-use MediaObject, since it is defined as being media embedded in a web page.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> kc
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Karen Coyle
> >>>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net

> >>>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> >>>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
> >>>>> skype: kcoylenet
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Karen Coyle
> >>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net

> >>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> >>> m: 1-510-435-8234
> >>> skype: kcoylenet
> >
> > --
> > Karen Coyle
> > kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net

> > ph: 1-510-540-7596
> > m: 1-510-435-8234
> > skype: kcoylenet
> >
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