- From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 19:51:09 +0100
- To: Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
- Cc: public-schema-course-extend@w3.org
In the long run you may be right, Wes. However, my proposal is that we
don't need to do credentials in order to describe Course. We can, and
should, leave that to people who know more about credentials, as a
separate effort. We don't need to wait for that, we can add in what
works for now, and improve later.
Phil
On 20/06/16 18:49, Wes Turner wrote:
> P: educationalCredentialAwarded
> d: Course
> r: {Text, Thing}
>
> Should this be
>
> P: credentialAwarded
> d:
> r: {Credential, CredentialInstance}
>
> P: educationalCredentialAwarded (subPropertyOf) credentialAwarded
> d: Course
> r: {EducationalCredential, CredentialInstance}
>
> ...
>
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Degree
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Degree > BachelorDegree
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Certificate
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Certification
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Badge > OpenBadge
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Badge > cert-schema (OpenBadge +
> blockchain)
>
> *Are there instances where e.g. Certificate, Certification, and Badge*
> *are not EducationalCredentials*
> *(just regular Credentials)?*
>
> So,
> EducationalCredential may be more useful as an annotation class?
>
> CTI models this as credType, which requires a WHERE _ IN query to list
> things of this type (because there's no expansions of class lineage
> without Enumerated classes which are a subClassOf e.g. Credential or
> EducationalCredential or Degree or Certificate):
> * https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-222379559
>
> Scope justification:
> - https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-223663304
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk
> <mailto:phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> On 20/06/16 12:26, Dan Brickley wrote:
>
> On 17 June 2016 at 17:32, Steve Midgley
> <steve@learningtapestry.com
> <mailto:steve@learningtapestry.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree that credential has many meanings across
> industries. I agree we
> should try to find a term that unambiguously locates this
> credential as
> educational. So, being a frequent simpleton, I'll suggest
> "educationalCredential"
>
> This is an improvement.
>
> A friend I was talking to over the weekend suggested using the
> related
> term "accreditation". How does that sound to this community? To my
> ears it has all the right associations, and is much less
> evocative of
> lower-level technical notions of credential...
>
> Dan
>
> OK. As property name I am going to suggest
> educationalCredentialAwarded because we might in the future want
> EducationalCredential as a class name.
>
> So, my proposal is that in order to meet the use case that people
> can search for courses that offers a qualification the searcher
> would like to acquire we create a new property
>
> educationalCredentialAwarded domain Course, range Text or Thing.
> Definition: a description of the qualification, award,
> certificate, diploma or other educational credential awarded as a
> consequence of successful completion of this course.
>
> When the educational credentials/verifiable claims community have
> sorted out how they want to describe their domain in schema.org
> <http://schema.org> then I hope we will have some more specific
> schema type(s) that we can point to, but for now this seems to me
> to be good enough to solve the use case. Solving the bigger issue
> seems beyond the scope of this community group.
>
>
> Phil
>
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