- From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 13:38:51 +0000
- To: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>, Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com>
- Cc: "public-schema-course-extend@w3.org" <public-schema-course-extend@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <56D449EB.7090807@hw.ac.uk>
On 29/02/2016 13:18, Richard Wallis wrote: > Are we [in simple terms] heading towards a proposal for: > > 1. Course subtype of CreativeWork - plus a few new course relevant > properties > 2. CourseInstance subtype of Event - plus a few new course relevant > properties > 3. The use of Offer to relate these to an offering organization with > related costs, availability, eligibility, etc.. > Yes, I think that is where we are heading. I am working the RDFa file to get a version of this on appspot. Should be ready by the end of today. Phil > If this is the case, it would fit well with the established patterns > within Schema, providing examples to emulate and result in a proposal > most likely to gain understanding, and hopefully acceptance, from the > wider Schema community. > > ~Richard. > > Richard Wallis > Founder, Data Liberate > http://dataliberate.com > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis > Twitter: @rjw > > On 27 February 2016 at 13:16, Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com > <mailto:jgoodell2@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > 1) I'm comfortable that Course (the abstract) is a CreativeWork. > 2) I'm comfortable with CourseInstance for the instance (a.k.a. > Section/Offering) in this context. > > (CourseInstance could then use existing schema Offer and Event > properties to handle those aspects without confusion.) > Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk > <mailto:phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>> > *To:* public-schema-course-extend@w3.org > <mailto:public-schema-course-extend@w3.org> > *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 6:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: Course, a new dawn? > > > > Thank you all for your replies. I will create an alternative based on > Vicki's ideas for comparison (but not today). > > A could of points to clarify / question > > 1) I am still seeing conflicting ideas about whether Course (the > abstract) should be a type of Creative Work. Vicki suggests this, Dan > seems not so comfortable with it. I know that in the bibliographic > world people are quite comfortable with CreativeWorks being > represented > at an abstract level not just being something like a document. > > 2) The name of a concrete offering/presentation of the Course is > troublesome. Every suggestion I have seen seems to lead to > misunderstandings. Session is another one: when I teach a course > we have > sessions on Mondays and Thursdays... but that is not what is meant by > Vicki. Offering is confusing with Offer. Section and Presentation can > also lead to problems. Often when we are describing what we mean we > talk about the abstract course and a specific instance of it, so I am > going to suggest we go with Course and CourseInstance. > > Phil > > On 25/02/16 19:30, Developer, SleepingDog wrote: > > I agree with (+1) Vicki and Dan that there is a requirement to > model abstract courses that are not events; which in turn may have > zero, one or more event-based offerings (possibly simultaneously, > overlapping, sequentially) with properties whose distinctiveness > will be important for learners. > > > > In markup terms, I expect this to be typically realized by a > course details page which contains a set of (often descriptive) > abstract course elements which apply to all offerings, and an > optional set of offerings which have properties specific to them. > > > > I am not familiar enough with schema.org <http://schema.org> > best practice to say how this should be achieved, and nor do I > want to rule out a pattern that represents courses as > abstraction-only or as creative works (like a learning object), or > a one-off course which occurs as one event. But I can say that all > of the three student record systems I have worked on extracting > course information with, and all of the course modelling standards > I have encountered have had a (parent) abstract course and a > (child) concrete offering structure. > > > > Tavis Reddick > > > >> On 25 Feb 2016, at 18:33, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com > <mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote: > >> > >> On 25 February 2016 at 18:23, Vicki Tardif Holland > <vtardif@google.com <mailto:vtardif@google.com>> wrote: > >>> I am concerned that in the name of simplicity, we are losing > the ability to > >>> understand the various things a Course may be: > >>> > >>> 1. The abstract notion (e.g. "HNC Accounting"). > >>> 2. A specific session of the Course (e.g. HNC Accounting > taught at St > >>> Brycedale Campus Kirkcaldy starting 2016-08-29). > >>> 3. An offer to sell access to a Course. In the online world, > this is usually > >>> a specific session. > >>> > >>> As the examples are written, I cannot tell the difference between > >>> definitions 1) and 2), particularly because the first example > gives dates. > >>> - Vicki > >> +1 …Courses do indeed have > >> aspects (especially their syllabus) which are closer to > documents, and > >> aspects which are closer to events, but we lose too much by > flattening > >> everything into a single Course type that subclasses both.… > >> --Dan > > >> > > > > > > > -- > -- > Phil Barker @philbarker > LRMI, Cetis, ICBL http://people.pjjk.net/phil > Heriot-Watt University > > Ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/456/ > not so much an operating system as a learning opportunity. > > > > > > -- Phil Barker @philbarker LRMI, Cetis, ICBL http://people.pjjk.net/phil Heriot-Watt University Workflow: http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~philb/workflow/ ----- We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers to join us in leading and driving research in key inter-disciplinary themes. 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