Re: Note on RWW Group's Evolution and Principles

čt 2. 11. 2023 v 7:00 odesílatel Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
napsal:

> Okay, there was stuff in the back of my head I left out. Most of the time
> I feel like I am sitting in the cheap seats where my work will never get
> noticed or taken seriously.
>
> *I don't have a CS specific degree and there are no jobs anywhere close to
> where I live that would allow me to work on this kind of stuff and get paid
> and build prestige.
>

You dont need a CS degree these days.  Just a willingness to learn, and a
motivation to create something.  The web was made by scratching an itch.
Find the intersection of something that gets you out of bed in the morning,
and something that you think could be ubiquitous in the long term.
Hopefully something that is open source and royalty free so that it help
not only you, but your friends, and others that want to use it.

There is a rich surface for innovation right now.  All is possible!


>
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
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>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 12:41 AM Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Cool. Maybe I'll stick around at some level since I feel this is useful
>> for peer-production. I'm really kind of a nobody though. I don't have a CS
>> specific degree and there are no jobs anywhere close to where I live that
>> would allow me to work on this kind of stuff and get paid. There is more of
>> work on other stuff and hope you get to work on this kind of stuff. Maybe
>> that's the best kind of love though.
>>
>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>
>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
>> WebID: http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 5:20 PM Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On the topic of nostalgia, over at the solid WG, Pierre gave this as an
>>> example of what Solid can do:
>>>
>>> https://videolectures.net/iswc2012_berners_lee_semantic_web/?t=70
>>>
>>> It's a video from 2012, where Timbl talks about the future of the web
>>> and gives several shouts outs to the RWW CG! :)
>>>
>>> po 30. 10. 2023 v 15:56 odesílatel Brent Shambaugh <
>>> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> napsal:
>>>
>>>> I have been lurking here feeling nostalgic about RWW, but not sure what
>>>> to do. I've been overwhelmed by the pressure to "make money", and
>>>> everything I do seems like a hobby because it is not done the right way. If
>>>> I don't go to school or take a well-understood job am I just goofing off?
>>>> Surely there is a way to do this.
>>>>
>>>> I've been spending a bit of time with the FISSION.codes community this
>>>> year. They are working on decentralized compute with IPVM and decentralized
>>>> auth with UCANs.  I was also at the Internet Identity Workshop where I met
>>>> Arthur Brock from HoloChain that can be used for decentralized apps and saw
>>>> Daniel Buchner again who is working with TBD on decentralized web nodes (if
>>>> that is the name).
>>>>
>>>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>>>
>>>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
>>>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
>>>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
>>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
>>>> WebID: http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 12:47 AM Melvin Carvalho <
>>>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There wasnt much of a response to creating a Note about RWW
>>>>> Principles, and the group will go dormant in a few weeks, so I dont think
>>>>> we'll get time to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I put down a stub of some RWW principles in the wiki, feel
>>>>> free to edit it in the last weeks if you feel like it:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/Principles
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have the old github area in case anyone wants to pick up some
>>>>> ideas that have been explored over the years.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/rwwcg
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Melvin
>>>>>
>>>>> po 2. 10. 2023 v 16:38 odesílatel Melvin Carvalho <
>>>>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> napsal:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The RWW group embarked on its journey in 2011 with the vision of
>>>>>> utilizing standards to facilitate reading and writing on the web. Over the
>>>>>> years, we have delved into numerous ideas emanating from this foundational
>>>>>> principle. Several of these ideas have transitioned into new
>>>>>> standardizations like web acl, solid, patch updates, content addressable
>>>>>> identifier, among others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While the group has transitioned into a phase of reduced activity, it
>>>>>> now faces the prospect of closure. It's possible that the appetite for
>>>>>> embarking on new endeavors might be modest at this juncture, yet I
>>>>>> encourage anyone with fresh ideas to bring them forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One aspect we haven't formally addressed is compiling a note that
>>>>>> encapsulates how all the pieces interconnect and narrates the group's
>>>>>> evolutionary journey. This includes the initial exploration of RESTful
>>>>>> reading and writing utilizing GET, POST, PUT, PATCH, and the subsequent
>>>>>> need for spam protection through access control. This pathway naturally led
>>>>>> us towards a standards-based identity system, and then ACLs, potentially
>>>>>> integrating roles and groups, tackling hierarchical dilemmas (such as
>>>>>> writing permissions to a sub-directory), authentication, login procedures,
>>>>>> and understanding HTTP response codes around 2xx and 4xx, along with
>>>>>> higher-level architectural principles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It might be enriching to collectively work on such a note. This
>>>>>> endeavor could serve multiple purposes - preserving the historical essence
>>>>>> of the group, aiding systems like Solid in understanding the guiding
>>>>>> principles that shaped their inception, and envisaging a future where new
>>>>>> specifications evolve from a well-articulated set of guiding principles.
>>>>>> This documentation could potentially enable future innovators to request
>>>>>> specifications based on Read Write Web Principles for specific use cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be happy to hear thoughts on this idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Melvin
>>>>>>
>>>>>