Re: Note on RWW Group's Evolution and Principles

Okay, there was stuff in the back of my head I left out. Most of the time I
feel like I am sitting in the cheap seats where my work will never get
noticed or taken seriously.

*I don't have a CS specific degree and there are no jobs anywhere close to
where I live that would allow me to work on this kind of stuff and get paid
and build prestige.

-Brent Shambaugh

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On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 12:41 AM Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Cool. Maybe I'll stick around at some level since I feel this is useful
> for peer-production. I'm really kind of a nobody though. I don't have a CS
> specific degree and there are no jobs anywhere close to where I live that
> would allow me to work on this kind of stuff and get paid. There is more of
> work on other stuff and hope you get to work on this kind of stuff. Maybe
> that's the best kind of love though.
>
> -Brent Shambaugh
>
> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
> Skype: brent.shambaugh
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>
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 5:20 PM Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On the topic of nostalgia, over at the solid WG, Pierre gave this as an
>> example of what Solid can do:
>>
>> https://videolectures.net/iswc2012_berners_lee_semantic_web/?t=70
>>
>> It's a video from 2012, where Timbl talks about the future of the web and
>> gives several shouts outs to the RWW CG! :)
>>
>> po 30. 10. 2023 v 15:56 odesílatel Brent Shambaugh <
>> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> napsal:
>>
>>> I have been lurking here feeling nostalgic about RWW, but not sure what
>>> to do. I've been overwhelmed by the pressure to "make money", and
>>> everything I do seems like a hobby because it is not done the right way. If
>>> I don't go to school or take a well-understood job am I just goofing off?
>>> Surely there is a way to do this.
>>>
>>> I've been spending a bit of time with the FISSION.codes community this
>>> year. They are working on decentralized compute with IPVM and decentralized
>>> auth with UCANs.  I was also at the Internet Identity Workshop where I met
>>> Arthur Brock from HoloChain that can be used for decentralized apps and saw
>>> Daniel Buchner again who is working with TBD on decentralized web nodes (if
>>> that is the name).
>>>
>>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>>
>>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
>>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
>>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
>>> WebID: http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 12:47 AM Melvin Carvalho <
>>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There wasnt much of a response to creating a Note about RWW Principles,
>>>> and the group will go dormant in a few weeks, so I dont think we'll get
>>>> time to do that.
>>>>
>>>> However, I put down a stub of some RWW principles in the wiki, feel
>>>> free to edit it in the last weeks if you feel like it:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/Principles
>>>>
>>>> We also have the old github area in case anyone wants to pick up some
>>>> ideas that have been explored over the years.
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/rwwcg
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Melvin
>>>>
>>>> po 2. 10. 2023 v 16:38 odesílatel Melvin Carvalho <
>>>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> napsal:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> The RWW group embarked on its journey in 2011 with the vision of
>>>>> utilizing standards to facilitate reading and writing on the web. Over the
>>>>> years, we have delved into numerous ideas emanating from this foundational
>>>>> principle. Several of these ideas have transitioned into new
>>>>> standardizations like web acl, solid, patch updates, content addressable
>>>>> identifier, among others.
>>>>>
>>>>> While the group has transitioned into a phase of reduced activity, it
>>>>> now faces the prospect of closure. It's possible that the appetite for
>>>>> embarking on new endeavors might be modest at this juncture, yet I
>>>>> encourage anyone with fresh ideas to bring them forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> One aspect we haven't formally addressed is compiling a note that
>>>>> encapsulates how all the pieces interconnect and narrates the group's
>>>>> evolutionary journey. This includes the initial exploration of RESTful
>>>>> reading and writing utilizing GET, POST, PUT, PATCH, and the subsequent
>>>>> need for spam protection through access control. This pathway naturally led
>>>>> us towards a standards-based identity system, and then ACLs, potentially
>>>>> integrating roles and groups, tackling hierarchical dilemmas (such as
>>>>> writing permissions to a sub-directory), authentication, login procedures,
>>>>> and understanding HTTP response codes around 2xx and 4xx, along with
>>>>> higher-level architectural principles.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be enriching to collectively work on such a note. This
>>>>> endeavor could serve multiple purposes - preserving the historical essence
>>>>> of the group, aiding systems like Solid in understanding the guiding
>>>>> principles that shaped their inception, and envisaging a future where new
>>>>> specifications evolve from a well-articulated set of guiding principles.
>>>>> This documentation could potentially enable future innovators to request
>>>>> specifications based on Read Write Web Principles for specific use cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be happy to hear thoughts on this idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Melvin
>>>>>
>>>>