- From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 04:57:03 +1000
- To: public-rww <public-rww@w3.org>
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hi All, spent a few hours on this; i probably need to spend a few weeks on it, to get a better grasp on how to simplify complex considerations into a short-form note. in anycase, thinking about the problem - I woke up today thinking of the 'name'/term - 'human friendly robots' as the answer... Therein - thinking is - maybe, a more coherent way of looking at it is in-fact kinda multi-dimensional... ('status of the observer'). So, if we try to work on 'what does success look like', then work backwards? Therein - as a 'consumer' / user (intended beneficiaries = natural persons / life) explanation: a moment of inspiration considered the concept of; 'humanity friendly robots' or biosphere friendly robots'... SO - imagine, for a moment, we've got an ecosystem in place; and we're trying to describe why people want to get the one that supports RWW.. I think the concept of 'human friendly robots' concept, might be simple enough to then explain AI, semweb and all the stuff that people - neither understand, nor have the time or interest, to learn... From a 'consumer' Technical Perspective: Could it be 'boiled down' to a particular 'run-time', like a webserver, virtualbox, TOR, or even browser (ie: https://beakerbrowser.com/ is v.cool, imo, but no RDF yet). Indeed the easiest example today, would be openlink virtuoso https://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/pricing/ - BUT - it doesn't have a broader 'software ecosystem' which is presently... from my perspective - enormously concerning... Therein; there's alot going on with 'health passports' / electronic instruments required for societal participation, etc. I heard on the news yesterday, that the sorts of things that may come soon; is that people with valid status on these electronic instruments will be allowed out of home detention, during future 'healthcare' 'lockdowns'... I find the way CEOs and Politicians have 'taken control' of some old, purposeful work (intended to be a component) sickening; i've illustrated a similar consideration below, re: blockchains. NB: re:publica 2012 - Eben Moglen excerpt (5 minutes): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXqHIJJVxk In-order to create 'write permissions' there needs to be some form of 'social contract' framework that's set-up... i think the group *could* aim to produce some functional outputs, ready for market take-up; without works necessarily progressing through the WG process. other 'multi-dimensional' considerations; Technical explanation - 'a temporal web - towards web 4.0' = Truth telling infrastructure. = democratisation of research and scientific (STEM) debate. = Provenance (who did what when, not 'one man, in the centre of every-thing') Technical consideration - Social Machines[1] = my friendly robots.. = 'transhumanist' like extensions of my 'consciousness apparatus', that changes lived experiences - more than simply owning a smart-phone (or 'health-based passport', that seemingly has the effect of making it mandatory to carry a mobile device at all times?). The implication of these sorts of considerations, link to concepts about perception, conscious experience, causality, etc. So, if information systems, forming an interference 'array', act (perhaps by design) to distort reality - to disassociate 'the observer'; then that is an 'unhealthy' (or perhaps evil) thing. So - without going all 'CyberPunk 2077' on the topic (hunting out the 'soul killer') - what if what we're looking to create is a 'healthy web'.,.. What if the work process of doing this stuff, could be translated (at the pub) to stuff, people care about, people know about, but feel entirely unable to influence... what do you do - 'i've been working on digital identity solutions to...'... vs., 'i'm working on a healthy web, a web that improves the health of our world' or similar.. anyhow. raw thoughts; but i hope, that kinda makes sense. Cyber peace fair (fair dealings); not 'cyberwarfare' as though hostilities are beneficial for our biosphere of those who are part of it. Tooling considerations - SemWeb based. (but not 'globally centralised') - Decentralised. - works 'offline' (works better online) - Dignity interpretation of 'privacy' - if the behaviours of persons result in someone's death, i don't see how killers should be able to protect their 'reputations' / themselves via 'privacy principles'. cause / effect. Although dignity (ie: seeing specialist doctors, etc.) incorporates confidentiality, etc. EG: Very unlikely a gynaecologist should be encouraged to promote their business on instagram. (or a armed forces person, or person who holds a license to practice medicine - engages in work that results in death of another, then, perhaps that's part of the confidentiality thing; notwithstanding the importance of supporting the works of various courts of law). *A Bit About 'blockchains'* Personally, i'm not really a fan of the term 'blockchains' as i felt it had an implied implication; of excluding other hybrid approaches that could have a better energy profile associated to it. In-turn, it appeared that there's a bunch of different ideologically based deliberations; believing a computationally secured framework is 'most secure', when it can still be taken down (just different attack vectors); and there are enormous risks associated to block-chain 'snake oil' promoters, particularly those; who don't have any technical knowledge and are purely commercially focused. A hammer is good for some things, bad for others. Seems some blockchain retailers are passionately selling hammers as a way to cure pink eye, and will demonstrate passionately their position by demonstrating the use of their 'hammer' in increasingly forceful ways; telling others it was all about ensuring you could 'see their point'; but it doesn't really matter if its later found to not make sense - sites can be updated, and all the (digital) evidence just goes away. if they made enough money, they can 'buy drinks' for the 'influencers', or help them get on the stage in the next conference; or whatever, as goes that old 'golden rule' concept, woven with, the MKT theory that says, its all about how you 'sell it', not what it is. A sad and basic fact appears to be that the vast majority of persons get involved and/or use stuff - to support a self-interest profile tied directly to greed. This is tied also, to the requirements of people who are paid for working on behalf of another entity; whether that be a company or government, or even universities; and if the business model is too hard (hammer doesn't fix pink-eye) - they may not be supported to do work on that thing; and/or, may seek to make 'modifications' so that it fits into a 'world view', that focuses on the money. SO - if we're going to have infrastructure that is intended to support a 'moral economy', do we need to expressly declare, demonstrate and consider how some sort of economic model might work for users, and perhaps look to bake it into the 'solution'; if that is the case, then, it would likely result in a radically different commercialisation projection (ie: how many people would be incentivised to use it / build upon it, etc.); and, the 'purists' who are moreover motivated by a means to use a debilitating savant capacity (or whatever) to do something useful for others in a particular field of excellence; an ability to have greater influence over the implications of run-time distribution, given that we've tried the model where we assume, without purposefully considered & implemented - infrastructure support - the 'good' will win, simply because its 'good'. *SO: My thinking about that... * It its known that there is an energy lifecycle that flows 'end to end', some systems are more efficient than others; people are willing to support some 'causes', but are mostly going to use resources for purposes of 'self interest'; so - maybe there's merit in considering how ontological schema can be applied to support a moral-economy transactional capacity, linked to 'how it works'; so that, there's a way to provide an economic solution, that can assist in 'self funding' the decentralisation of ('commons' in particular) assets, that may in-turn support a business model for deploying these 'rww servers'?? Which may in-turn indicate some of the 'headers' (/WebID-[auth]) details that are required to better 'communicate' the 'pay 4 play' nature, of how it is energy works (generally). *Web We Want[2] considerations: * the intro's generally talk about 'a way to support documents'. but its grown alot... I think i'll write a blog piece about my bigger thoughts on this (in the interests of defining a shorter post). - Global Web (not fragmented - implicitly understanding it needs to be 'permissive'?? who decides??). - A Really good basis for democracy - good for healthcare (well-being of human beings / biosphere?); where research is consumable to support advancements / exponential productivity growth? - something that can be made to be universal (overtime, perhaps not just for human beings) - something that demonstrates excellence in the field of encouraging exponential innovation (problem solving, but implicitly also - work?? etc.) SO, when looking at those sorts of 'goals' and/or criteria for auditing 'performance' of how solutions work today, vs. how we can do some meaningful work, to solve some important problems; intended to result in some very positive 'web-scale' impacts: what does that mean, at the many levels it involves. There are an array of foundational principles that are intended to apply in regions that seek a governance structure built upon consent of electorates who provide mandate to their elected representatives; whom, they are entitled to go to communicate their problems with, in the interests of seeking to address those problems as a community via instruments of law and/or public policy. These social systems, in-turn, rely upon the ability for electorates / groups - to form 'common-sense' understandings of various issues; as is required to form express (educated) consent / mandate; and, for the purposes of a court of law, where disputes should be handled between entities relating to some sort of alleged wrong and/or harm; which in-turn depends upon evidence, not hearsay and certainly not an opportunity to target an adversary then apply a penalty, to be supported by hearsay and an opportunity to write new rules & backdate them for justification purposes... that sort of stuff, is kinda why the magna carta[3] came about; or even more, how it became instituted overtime, and grew alongside 'the' 'common-law'[4]. (needless to say, the R&D process for me, has been particularly enlightening, in many ways...) SemWeb is inherently AI[5] (source Dame Wendy Hall). Timothy Holborn - [1] https://www.apress.com/gp/book/9781484211571 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCplocVemjo&t=300s [3] https://www.google.com/search?q=%27magna+carta%27+%22holborn%22 [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=%27common+law%27+%22holborn%22 [5] https://github.com/WebCivics/ontologies ( https://github.com/WebCivics/ontologies/blob/master/webscience.jpeg )
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