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Re: LDP a replacement for WebDav?

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:22:41 -0400
To: public-rww@w3.org
Message-ID: <8bf07071-2adc-7776-9272-69b7fe30644b@openlinksw.com>
On 4/10/17 7:57 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
> I might have to expand the Wikipedia page. In general the linked W3C
> pages mention implementations, and describe the standard, but they
> don't get into where it comes from and why it mattered. The whole ALM
> discussion of Arnaud J Le Hors is fascinating. SOLiD and its
> connection between WebID, LDP, and efforts to re-decentralize the
> social web are also not mentioned (I don't know the line between
> promotion, adoption, etc. is).
> -Brent Shambaugh

Great points.

W3C specs tend to focus on the technical side of things. Conceptual
what, why, and how's are scant. Sadly, therein lies a massive void that
inevitably affects adoptions. Organizations can't justify investing in
what they don't understand.

Quick Breakdown:

WebID -- HTTP URI that Identifies Agents (People, Organizations, Software)
WebID-Profile -- Document that describes an Agent identified by a WebID
WebID+TLS Protocol -- Protocol for authenticating WebIDs
LDP - an RDF (using metadata serialized using RDF-Turtle or JSON-LD) and
Linked Data alternative to WebDAV (metadata is serialized using XML) for
Read-Write operations
SoLiD -- The above plus some "best practices" (e.g, use of some HTTP
custom headers and session metadata) for a decentralized Read-Write Web

Kingsley
>
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>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brent Shambaugh
> <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great. Thanks. Added.
>>
>> Also added "Getting Started with the Linked Data Platform (LDP) –
>> background and history during early development" to
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_Data_Platform#External_links  .
>> It seemed early anyways.
>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>
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>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/10/17 5:19 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
>>>> Then the Wikipedia page on WebDav must be out of date. I interpret LDP
>>>> as being an alternative
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV#Alternatives_to_WebDAV) .
>>> Yes, correct!
>>>
>>> Kingsley
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>>>
>>>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
>>>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
>>>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
>>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/17 6:33 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is correct? I'm going to conclude that the Linked Data
>>>>>> Platform is a replacement for WebDAV with Semantic Web enhancements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://stko.geog.ucsb.edu/sw2022/sw2022_paper3.pdf
>>>>>> "
>>>>>> Several proposals exist to enable machine-writable structured data. For
>>>>>> instance, Tim Berners-Lee himself proposed update protocols based on
>>>>>> WebDAV or SPARQL/Update [2] and implemented them in Tabulator.
>>>>>> Lanthaler et al. tried to obtain a read-write Web of Data by integrating
>>>>>> Web APIs into it (in the form of JSON services) [6]. Recently, W3C
>>>>>> started a standardization activity to create a Linked Data Platform,
>>>>>> with as main goal to define a RESTful way to read and write Linked
>>>>>> Data [3]."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter  (LDP charter)
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV  (about WebDav)
>>>>>> https://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/whats-new/ (mentions proxy from WebDav to LDP)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
>>>>>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
>>>>>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
>>>>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
>>>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
>>>>> Hi Brent,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would characterize LDP as just another protocol for Read-Write
>>>>> operations over HTTP, rather than a replacement for WebDAV.
>>>>>
>>>>> LDP  includes support for resource metadata represented as RDF
>>>>> statements (serialized using RDF-Turtle or JSON-LD document content-types).
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kingsley Idehen
>>>>> Founder & CEO
>>>>> OpenLink Software   (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
>>>>>
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>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>>>
>>>>> Web Identities (WebID):
>>>>> Personal: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
>>>>>         : http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kingsley Idehen
>>> Founder & CEO
>>> OpenLink Software   (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
>>>
>>> Weblogs (Blogs):
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>>> Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen
>>>
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>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>
>>> Web Identities (WebID):
>>> Personal: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
>>>         : http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this
>>>
>>>
>


-- 
Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	      
Founder & CEO 
OpenLink Software   (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)

Weblogs (Blogs):
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Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen

Profile Pages:
Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/
Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen
Twitter: https://twitter.com/kidehen
Google+: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen

Web Identities (WebID):
Personal: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
        : http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this




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