Re: Solid Help

On 6 September 2016 at 14:58, Nathan Rixham <nathan@webr3.org> wrote:

> Since solid resides in both application and data realms, a path forward
> would be to start on a basic application error vocabulary. We couldn't
> write apps and api integrations without informative errors and debug logs,
> that would imply the same is needed for web of data apps.
>
I agree with you.  What experience has taught me is that some of the issues
are technical, such as, datatype missing, or extra leading zero not parsed,
and some of the issues are human, such as both parties are unable to locate
the bug (which sometimes is the browser for example), a bug is found but
both integrations parties want the other side to own it, or a fix has been
established but getting it promoted upstream can take a lot of time /
effort.

What I think might emerge is a new type of software engineering skill,
integration engineer (something like a test engineer), who can perform all
of these tasks, report them and show progress.  Id also argue that
dedicated integrators are as valuable, if not more valuable, than testers
(personal bias!) :)


>
> On 6 Sep 2016 13:32, "Melvin Carvalho" <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 6 September 2016 at 14:17, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/6/16 4:08 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this problem impacting virtuoso functionality also?
>>>
>>>
>>> None of this has anything to do with Virtuoso. All of these issues
>>> relate to:
>>>
>>> [1] WebID-Profile Documents
>>> [2] WebID+TLS Authentication Protocol
>>> [3] Proper understanding of the above.
>>>
>>> Thus far, the only quirk I've found is that some of my WebID-Profile
>>> documents contain Turtle content that's a little laxed on prefix handling.
>>> By that I mean: if prefixes aren't declared and Virtuoso is the target
>>> platform, we use local prefix caches to resolve namespaces to URIs. Net
>>> effect, other platforms that don't go this far will result in WebID-Profile
>>> document processing errors.
>>>
>>> The biggest problem with some of the SoLiD apps is that they simply
>>> don't provide any diagnostic information when this errors occurs. Thus, you
>>> have the root of the "Virtuoso isn't SoLiD" compliant meme :(
>>>
>>> I've found this out under 5 minutes during a session with Sarven
>>> Capadisli when testing http://dokie.li with one of my WebIDs. Anyway,
>>> more to come on all of this as a lot has been discovered and I prefer to
>>> explain it all in plain English.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry if ive implied virtuoso isnt solid compliant.  What I think would
>> be a better narrative is that it would be really awesome to see solid apps
>> running on virtuoso and vice versa.  The advantage of this is to grow the
>> network effect.  By using demos both platforms become more attractive.
>>
>> You make a good point in part, in that many apps dont have an exhaustive
>> error suite, but most have at least some error checking, and there is more
>> in the console.  Distributed debugging is a hard problem, and takes a long
>> time, also app developers are always finding a line between functionality
>> and robustness.
>>
>> You correctly point out that this issue is simply related to Webid
>> profiles and TLS authentication.  It's great that safari has such a neat
>> integration with the keychain.  I think blog posts like Brent's help.
>> Better documentation, better error checking and guiding the user, all
>> positives.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Kingsley
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim.H.
>>>
>>> On Tue., 6 Sep. 2016, 5:29 pm Neil Macehiter, <neil.macehiter@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks both. I have been able to gain access to my databox. I signed up
>>>> using Safari rather than Chrome and it created the certificate in my
>>>> keychain. When I accessed username.databox.me I was prompted for the
>>>> newly created certificate and was able to login. So, it doesn't look like
>>>> Chrome allows the creation of the certificate. What should I do about the
>>>> two other accounts I created: can they be deleted?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 at 23:48 Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> that should be noted somewhere in the documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 at 07:24 Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 September 2016 at 11:02, Neil Macehiter <
>>>>>> neil.macehiter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am trying to sign-up for Solid. I have created 2 IDs:
>>>>>>> neilmacehiter and nmacehiter but in both cases it does not install a new
>>>>>>> certificate in Chrome. I am only given the option of selecting existing
>>>>>>> certificates. Are you able to delete the WebIDs and explain how I can
>>>>>>> ensure it creates a certificate for authentication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Neil & welcome!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for trying solid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The system was working quite well until recently, when there was an
>>>>>> unexpected change in the browser, making life a bit more difficult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to get your certificate, you need to click the small green
>>>>>> and turn on 'key generation' in the site settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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