- From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
- Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:14:09 +0200
- To: Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
- Cc: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, public-rww <public-rww@w3.org>
On 2 Jul 2012, at 06:02, Michiel de Jong wrote: > Great idea! > > fwiw, when people talk about federation, they usually mean setting up > application-specific decentralized hosting with server-to-server > messaging. > > When you say 'the hyperlink solves this' i think you're talking at too > low a level, i think it's more accurate to say 'Indie Web + rww + > linked data solves it'. > > About pingback, i don't understand exactly what it does, but i think > it is based on client-side certificates, so it can never replace > OStatus or Wave, which are able to function without the need for such > per-device state. So I think it should be considered a niche solution > within the web, just like PGP is a niche solution (and not for that > less valuable) within SMTP. Pingback does not require WebID http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/05/09/ > > Having said that, if people start owning their own rww servers, and we > add some sort of real-time messaging to that, then i think on top of > that combination you could basically build the same things as both > OStatus and Apache Wave. > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho > <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote: >> There seems to be a few 'Federation' Protocols out there. >> >> Two of which are: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OStatus >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Wave_Federation_Protocol >> >> Much of the discussion that goes on today in various project is oriented >> around how it's possible to make heterogeneous systems Federate. >> >> So I was thinking about proposing working on a document something along the >> lines of: >> >> 'The Web Federation Protocol' >> >> The document could contain some of the "deceptively simple" federation >> protocols that we have working in the wild, such as linked data and >> pingback. In particular, if we can get others to implement pingback (which >> is normally less than a day's work), we can quickly develop an internet wide >> messaging system. >> >> Some of you might think, 'that's missing the point the Web is already >> federated via the URI (hyperlink) ', and there's certainly plenty of >> evidence to support this. >> >> However, to date I'm not sure there exists a very good explanation, for >> those that are trying to get a better understanding of the Web. >> >> Maybe we could put together a narrative, primer, or wiki article, to show >> how the Read Write Web is already federated, and how it's possible to take >> advantage, embrace and extend? >> >> Good idea / Bad idea ... any thoughts? > Social Web Architect http://bblfish.net/
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