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Re: Interesting GoogleTalk about Named Content Networks

From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:45:53 +0200
Cc: Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, Read-Write-Web <public-rww@w3.org>, public-webid <public-webid@w3.org>
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To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Thanks. I saw this talk a few years ago (3 or 4) and found it very interesting.
Looking at it one needs to I think both not to try to re-invent TCP/IP as Van
Jacobson explains, but also keep a mind open about how much of this can in fact 
be done with HTTP. He seems to suggest the future should be a very peer to peer 
protocol, but the web is peer 2 peer. (Servers could query each other via proxy 
interfaces for example). Also sometimes connection orientation is completely ok, such as
when one is getting information that is to be personalised, and it does not need
to be broadcast.  One would somehow wish there to have something that ties neatly
into HTTP so that a client that is thinking connection oriented could use HTTP
to get the document at its canonical location, and other servers could get them by
asking around. One would need a system like that to bootstrap the system with
some chance of it taking on. RDF of course works great at this level because
it can be applied to extensions of HTTP without the semantics suffering. One could
have linked data just as well in such a network too. The web does not depend on 
HTTP (or https). We're just pragmatically working with what is widely deployed and
very widely understood.

Henry


On 11 Apr 2012, at 16:52, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

> All,
> 
> The links below have been extracted from a -- circa. 2006 -- Google TechTalks video about Named Content Networks which is another moniker for InterWeb scale Linked Data.  The presenter is Van Jacobson (#DBpedia URI: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Van_Jacobson) and the full video is at: http://youtu.be/gqGEMQveoqg :
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> 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=1048s -- Communications vs Data Networking
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> 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=1242s -- Doing it differently with same infrastructure
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> 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=2320s -- Named Chunks of Data (Data Objects style of Resources)
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> 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=2407s -- Data Abstraction is what matters not the underlying Network
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> 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=2570s -- Focusing on the Data by Name
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> 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=2657s -- Security the Data using Crytpo .
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> 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=2662s -- Trusting Data via Data i.e., using Crytpo and Trust Logic .
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> 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=2685s -- Data Dissemination (Data Diffusion) Example that includes Vectorization via indirection in response to Data by Generic Name Requests.
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> 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=2949s -- Data Objects have Names as opposed to Addresses (Fundamental to Data Dissemination oriented Networking)
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> 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=3003s -- Integrity and Trust are Data Properties .
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> 11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=3081s -- Artificial Tensions about Networking (Bit Shifting).
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> 12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=3178s -- Communication Wins from Good Data Dissemination Architecture .
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> 13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=3640s -- Data Integrity and Broken Hierarchical CA Network.
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> 14. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=3722s -- Change has to be Unobtrusive (so 200 OK Locations when disambigutating HTTP URI Names).
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> 15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gqGEMQveoqg#t=3874s - What exactly is a Name?
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> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen	
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