- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 19:32:42 -0400
- To: Kevin White <kevin@w3.org>
- Cc: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>, "group-apa-chairs@w3.org" <group-apa-chairs@w3.org>, public-rqtf@w3.org
Removing Jason, Josh, and Scott, but adding the RQTF list ... I'm hoping we can take some time during the RQTF call tomorrow to talk user needs a bit. I'm thinking we should succinctly describe what we need to capture, being mindful of the XML source, and our publication requirements. Jason and I discussed this at some length yesterday. A wider discussion before filing an issue seemed useful to me. I suspect we're the group in W3C that most needs academically respectable citations. I suspect it's not a great need for all the API developers among us! :) Best, Janina Kevin White writes: > Much as I would love to support this, I don???t know how feasible it is. The issue is that references that are not part of specref need to be included in the biblio.js file in a specific format. It would be good if we could have a way to build these in but I am conscious that this doesn???t exist and would require some work cycles. > > Flagging this as an issue in speced/respec <https://github.com/speced/respec/issues> is possibly best starting point for this. > > Kevin > > > On 25 Mar 2025, at 14:47, Shawn Lawton Henry <shawn@w3.org> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Perhaps the research and resources collection would be best in a Markdown file in GitHub so those who use GitHub could easily submit a pull request for additions? > > > > ~Shawn > > > > > > > > On 24-Mar-25 8:08 PM, Scott Hollier wrote: > >> To Shawn > >> > >> Thanks for that. Yes, this wasn???t intended to be a definitive list but thought it helpful to see the referencing format used that I???ve exported from the Endnote library. I can output this in any format needed, I just need to know what that is.. If this format is okay for now, then we can set up a wiki somewhere in RQTF with this as a starting point then the rest of the references and resources can be added in the same format. > >> > >> I don???t have the knowledge on how to set up a wiki for us so if others could help to progress that part it???d be great. > >> Thank you all, > >> > >> Scott. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dr Scott Hollier > >> Chief Executive Officer > >> <image001.png> <https://www.accessibility.org.au/> > >> Centre For Accessibility Australia Ltd. > >> Phone: +61 (0)430 351 909 > >> Email: scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au <mailto:scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au> > >> Address: Suite 5, Belmont Hub, 213 Wright Street, Cloverdale WA 6105 > >> accessibility.org.au <https://www.accessibility.org.au/> > >> Subscribe to our newsletter <http://eepurl.com/drA-ib> > >> > >> <image002.png> <https://twitter.com/centrefora11y><image003.png> <https://www.instagram.com/centreforaccessibility/> <image004.png> <https://www.facebook.com/centrefora11y/> <image005.png> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/centreforaccessibility/> > >> > >> CFA Australia respectfully acknowledges the Traditional Owners of Country across Australia and pay our respects to Elders past and present. > >> > >> > >> From: Shawn Lawton Henry <shawn@w3.org> <mailto:shawn@w3.org> > >> Sent: Monday, 24 March 2025 8:53 PM > >> To: Scott Hollier <scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au> <mailto:scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au>; Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> <mailto:janina@rednote.net> > >> Cc: Joshue O'Connor <josh@interaccess.ie> <mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>; group-apa-chairs@w3.org <mailto:group-apa-chairs@w3.org>; Kevin White<kevin@w3.org> <mailto:kevin@w3.org>; Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> <mailto:jason@jasonjgw.net> > >> Subject: Re: AI accessibility research and resources collection > >> > >> Hi Scott and Janina, > >> > >> Thanks much for the quick responses. > >> > >> I think there are two different things: > >> > >> References cited in the W3C Group Note > >> Collection of relevant research and resources ??? some of which will be cited in the Note, yet many likely not > >> Sorry that I was not clear about that! > >> > >> I'm interested in number 2 being publicly available and including things like the "the great papers Jason has been finding over the past 12 months". > >> > >> In case it's useful, here is what the Low Vision Task Force did to list research <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Research>. I'm sure y'all can improve up on that, though. > >> > >> Best, > >> Shawn > >> > >> > >> > >> On 24-Mar-25 3:00 AM, Scott Hollier wrote: > >> Thanks Janina. While the referencing approach is being worked out, I've put the reference list from the very first AI draft exported from Endnote below for Shawn's reference. This list is about a year old so current W3C resources and the great papers Jason has been finding over the past 12 months are not included. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Reference List > >> Almeida, R., & Duarte, C. M. (2020). Analysis of automated contrast checking tools. Proceedings of the 17th International Web for All Conference, 1-4. https://doi.org/10.1145/3371300.3383348 > >> Ismailova, R., & Inal, Y. (2022). Comparison of Online Accessibility Evaluation Tools: An Analysis of Tool Effectiveness. IEEE Access, 10, 58233-58239. https://doi.org/10.1109/access.2022.3179375 > >> Leotta, M., Mori, F., & Ribaudo, M. (2022). Evaluating the effectiveness of automatic image captioning for web accessibility. Universal Access in the Information Society, 1-21. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10209-022-00906-7 > >> Millett, P. (2021). Accuracy of Speech-to-Text Captioning for Students Who are Deaf or Hard of Hearing (pp. 1-13). https://www.edaud.org/journal/2021/1-article-21.pdf > >> Morris, A. (2022, July 13). For Blind Internet Users, the Fix Can Be Worse Than the Flaws. The New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/technology/ai-web-accessibility.html > >> Twinkl. (n.d.). What is Bar Chart? [Image ]. Retrieved June 24, 2024, from https://www.twinkl.de/teaching-wiki/bar-chart > >> Vigo, M., Brown, J., & Conway, V. (2013). Benchmarking web accessibility evaluation tools. Proceedings of the 10th International Cross-Disciplinary Conference on Web Accessibility - W4A '13, 1-10. https://doi.org/10.1145/2461121.2461124 > >> Xu, Y., Wang, Q., An, Z., Wang, F., Zhang, L., Wu, Y., Dong, F., Qiu, C.-W., Liu, X., Qiu, J., Hua, K., Su, W., Xu, H., Han, Y., Cao, X., Liu, E., Fu, C., Yin, Z., Liu, M., & Roepman, R. (2021). Artificial Intelligence: a Powerful Paradigm for Scientific Research. The Innovation, 2(4). Sciencedirect. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.xinn.2021.100179 > >> Zhihan Lv. (2023). Generative Artificial Intelligence in the Metaverse Era. Cognitive Robotics, 3, 208-217. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cogr.2023.06.001 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> <mailto:janina@rednote.net> > >> Sent: Sunday, 23 March 2025 5:41 PM > >> To: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org> <mailto:shawn@w3.org> > >> Cc: Scott Hollier <scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au> <mailto:scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au>; Joshue O'Connor <josh@interaccess.ie> <mailto:josh@interaccess.ie>; group-apa-chairs@w3.org <mailto:group-apa-chairs@w3.org>; Kevin White <kevin@w3.org> <mailto:kevin@w3.org> > >> Subject: Re: AI accessibility research and resources collection > >> > >> Dear Shawn: > >> > >> Thank you for returning to our need for bibliographic citations. In January this year we noted the need for W3C to identify a standard citation protocol because creating references by hand is time-consuming and finicky work. It seems the academic world has a handful of standard bibliographic citation protocols, but W3C hasn't settled on one for us to use. > >> > >> The last email of our January discussions, unfortunately, wasn't a Reply All, but is archived here: > >> > >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Group/group-apa-chairs/2025Jan/0060.html > >> > >> Jason, Scott, since Roy is pointing us to the [W3C Manual of Style](https://www.w3.org/guide/manual-of-style/), can you please comment on the suitability of guidance there for our current needs? This may help us make progress. > >> > >> While I appreciate Scott's flexibility to post our bibliography on a wiki (or wherever), that's not the way we should manage formal citations in a Note track publication, imo. We need a resolution of the issue raised in January. > >> > >> Best, > >> Janina > >> > >> > >> Scott Hollier writes: > >> To Shawn > >> > >> Apologies, the lack of references and resources listed on RQTF is my fault ??? when I put together the first AI draft I had pulled together a large collection of academic references and references to various W3C standards and notes in an Endnote library, but just kept it as a local file, most of which are the references in the draft Note. Happy to coordinate with RQTF to put them up as a wiki or any other place that helps so they are online. > >> > >> Scot. > >> > >> From: Shawn Lawton Henry <shawn@w3.org> <mailto:shawn@w3.org> > >> Sent: Sunday, 23 March 2025 10:20 AM > >> To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> <mailto:janina@rednote.net>; Jason White > >> <jason@jasonjgw.net> <mailto:jason@jasonjgw.net>; Scott Hollier > >> <scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au> <mailto:scott.hollier@accessibility.org.au>; Joshue O'Connor > >> <josh@interaccess.ie> <mailto:josh@interaccess.ie> > >> Cc: group-apa-chairs@w3.org <mailto:group-apa-chairs@w3.org>; Kevin White <kevin@w3.org> <mailto:kevin@w3.org> > >> Subject: AI accessibility research and resources collection > >> > >> Hi Scott, Jason, Janina, Josh, > >> > >> Do you have a listing of research and other sources of information on AI and accessibility that folks can see and suggest additions to? > >> > >> In following up on accessibility for kids, I came upon AI Articles: A11y for Children Group Takeaways<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O109H5CDT37f3coGSr4hsD5352Ysu3pwUkZ228TYSQs/edit?tab=t.0> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O109H5CDT37f3coGSr4hsD5352Ysu3pwUkZ228TYSQs/edit?tab=t.0> and thought that would be good to list. I looked around RQTF pages [1<https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Main_Page> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Main_Page>, 2<https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/AI,_Machine_Learning_and_Accessibility> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/AI,_Machine_Learning_and_Accessibility>] and didn't find your list of resources. > >> > >> I'd also like to make sure the list includes resources such as W3C > >> WAI Artificial Intelligence (AI) and Accessibility Research Symposium > >> 2023<https://www.w3.org/WAI/research/ai2023/> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/research/ai2023/>, AI & the Web: > >> Understanding and managing the impact of Machine Learning models on > >> the Web<https://www.w3.org/reports/ai-web-impact/> <https://www.w3.org/reports/ai-web-impact/>, ASC-6.2 Accessible > >> and Equitable Artificial Intelligence > >> Systems<https://accessible.canada.ca/creating-accessibility-standards/ <https://accessible.canada.ca/creating-accessibility-standards/overview-asc-62-accessible-equitable-artificial-intelligence-systems> > >> overview-asc-62-accessible-equitable-artificial-intelligence-systems> <https://accessible.canada.ca/creating-accessibility-standards/overview-asc-62-accessible-equitable-artificial-intelligence-systems> > >> > >> Best, > >> Shawn > -- Janina Sajka (she/her/hers) Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa Linux Foundation Fellow https://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/
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