Re: Follow-up on the meetings on accessibility research with APA/RQTF and WAI-CooP

Hi Janina,

I'm sorry, I'm a little lost. Can you provide the links that you would 
want us to add to the page for those who want further information?

Thanks,
   Shadi


On 08/09/2021 16:34, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hi, Shadi:
> 
> I'm perfectly open to solutions like what you suggest.
> 
> If I understand, something like the links provided on their own might be
> enough?
> 
> My hope is to offer sufficient context, without constraining
> proposals--except for the Pronunciation (AKA Spoken Presentation) HTML
> parsing issue -- which we ran into at W3C's TPAC meetings last year when
> we heard from the TAG in no uncertain terms to drop any thought of
> updating HTML parsing. So, how to simplify, keep the invitation as open
> as it can be, yet nudge people away from known nonstarters?
> 
> PS: Our Pronunciation TF suggests a better link for that work would be:
> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/pronunciation/> rather than the
> github README. I think the engineering divide between AT and browsers
> link should stay, though.
> 
> You might note that the Personalization TF is actually posing no land
> mines like those we see in Pronunciation, even though that work is
> further advanced in the W3C standardization process, i.e. Module 1 is
> about to be published as CR.
> 
> So, I'm absolutely open in principle and happy for any suggested ways to
> resolve this.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Shadi Abou-Zahra writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>>
>> This is a lot of text and far more than I've usually noticed in call for
>> papers. This actually nearly a submission :-) I'm wondering if there are
>> other ways for doing this, maybe by adding some links to related work at W3C
>> where people can find this type of information?
>>
>> Best,
>>    Shadi
>>
>>
>> On 08/09/2021 14:30, Janina Sajka wrote:
>>> Carlos, All:
>>>
>>> Below I offer a draft of language I would like to see in the
>>> announcement we're discussing to amplify the "Personalization" and
>>> "Pronunciation" items. Edits are welcome. I'm doing my best not to
>>> prejudice potential work, but also to avoid proposals we already know
>>> have no hope, e.g. anyone proposing to solve pronunciation with a "fix"
>>> to HTML parsing will only waster our time.
>>>
>>> <begin proposed language>
>>>
>>> The W3C/WAI Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Working group would also
>>> welcome either implementing engineering or original research proposals in two
>>> key areas of APA's current work.
>>>
>>> * APA's Personalization Task Force
>>>  <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/personalization/> welcomes
>>> work aimed at providing technological solutions to a variety of challenges
>>> encountered by persons with disabilities with web technology, especially
>>> (though not exclusively) challenges for persons with cognitive and learning
>>> disabilities, many of which are described in this W3C Note publication
>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/>.
>>>
>>> 2.)* APA's Spoken Presentation Task Force is attempting to develop
>>> standards based approaches, including user agent components, that could bring
>>> consistency and predictability to TTS pronunciation of web based content
>>> across user agents and operating environments, for languages both ancient and
>>> modern (See <https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/blob/main/README.md>). Two
>>> important points are highlighted for potential proposals in this area:
>>>
>>> * Any solution requiring changes to HTML parsers will not be accepted by
>>>  the industry anytime soon--possibly not for decades to come.
>>>
>>> * A significant engineering gap has emerged between the perceived needs
>>>  of assistive technology vendors vis a vis the browser vendors
>>> in github issues as shown here: <https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues>
>>>
>>> Carlos Duarte writes:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Please find attached an updated call for participation, including updates
>>>> to the list of topics (mostly to improve legibility) and the organizing
>>>> committee with a better clarification of roles to ensure it raises no EC
>>>> concerns about duplicate funding (through WAI-CooP and WAI-Guide projects).
>>>>
>>>> Remember that we are still waiting for the official confirmation from APA
>>>> about their co-organizer status.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 19:27, Carlos Duarte <caduarte@campus.ul.pt> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As promised, I've prepared a new version of the call for participation,
>>>>> which I'm attaching to this email. The major changes include:
>>>>> - The list of topics. Please check if there are relevant topics missing or
>>>>> if you would prefer some to be rephrased
>>>>> - Including the APA as a co-organizer of the event. The answers I got back
>>>>> from you seem to point in this direction. But this call won't go public
>>>>> until I get an official approval.
>>>>> - Including Josh as one of the organizers (thanks for volunteering).
>>>>> Please check if you would like a different affiliation displayed. And I
>>>>> don't expect there will be a lot of effort involved. Right now, suggestions
>>>>> for people to invite to the scientific committee are welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wish you all a great weekend!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 17:06, Joshue O'Connor <joconnor@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Carlos and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good to me, and I'm happy to defer to your suggestion of a more
>>>>>> terse overview.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be great if you could expand on that a
>>>>>>>> bit and submit it to the symposium and present it there. In this way
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> will not depend on someone else picking the topic, and you would
>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>>>> it gets exposure during the symposium!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good - I'll take an action to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do feel free to let me know if you need help or any more
>>>>>> assistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good weekend all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos Duarte wrote on 02/09/2021 16:39:
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh, thanks for volunteering for the scientific committee and for
>>>>>>> suggesting the topics. As Shadi mentioned, it is fairly common to
>>>>>>> include a list of topics in the calls for participation in this type of
>>>>>>> event. So, yes, we can include such a list in the call, and I'll update
>>>>>>> it tomorrow with additional topics that we found in our previous
>>>>>>> analysis. Of course, I'll include Josh's and Jason's suggestions.
>>>>>>> Janina, feel free to send additional topics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the inclusion of explanatory information for the topics, I
>>>>>>> honestly don't believe we should include it. In my opinion, not only
>>>>>>> would it make the call too verbose, it might prevent people from
>>>>>>> exploring other perspectives for the same topic in their contributions.
>>>>>>> But let me take this chance to take advantage of your willingness to
>>>>>>> write the explanations. It would be great if you could expand on that a
>>>>>>> bit and submit it to the symposium and present it there. In this way
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> will not depend on someone else picking the topic, and you would ensure
>>>>>>> it gets exposure during the symposium!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tomorrow I'll send the updated call. In the meantime, I'll be happy to
>>>>>>> read more suggestions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 13:54, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       +Becky with her correct address. Please update your addressbooks as
>>>>>>>       needed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Thanks Josh, Shadi:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I like the list and agree that mixing in some additional topics
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>       perfectly fine. If this approach is agreeable, I'd like to provide a
>>>>>>>       single explanatory link for a couple of the topics--where we already
>>>>>>>       have work in progress in order to explain what the engineering
>>>>>>>       roadblocks/opportunities are. On other topics that came from APA
>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>       not even a conceptualizing overview yet, though we do expect some
>>>>>>>       conversations at TPAC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Janina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Shadi Abou-Zahra writes:
>>>>>>>        > Hi Josh, Carlos,
>>>>>>>        >
>>>>>>>        > Thanks for that suggestion Josh. I like the idea. I think it's
>>>>>>>       common for
>>>>>>>        > calls for papers to have suggested topics as "including but not
>>>>>>>       limited to".
>>>>>>>        > Carlos, maybe you found other hot topics in the analysis you did,
>>>>>>>       to mix the
>>>>>>>        > list topics a little more?
>>>>>>>        >
>>>>>>>        > Best,
>>>>>>>        >   Shadi
>>>>>>>        >
>>>>>>>        >
>>>>>>>        > On 01/09/2021 12:32, Joshue O'Connor wrote:
>>>>>>>        > > Hi Carlos,
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > [+ Scott Hollier, Research Questions lead w Jason White]
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > It is good to hear from you, and it was a very interesting
>>>>>>>       discussion.
>>>>>>>        > > Thanks for the included workshop proposal. I've some items to
>>>>>>>       feedback
>>>>>>>        > > to you on. Firstly, while there is potential benefit of a
>>>>>>>       tabula rasa,
>>>>>>>        > > or blank sheet approach to finding new areas of accessibility
>>>>>>>       related
>>>>>>>        > > research - maybe it would be a good idea to include some
>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>        > > suggested topics?
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > This would set the scene for researchers, and give a sense for
>>>>>>>       potential
>>>>>>>        > > topics of interest but not limit them either. I would not want
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>        > > presented as the 'only options'. I'm therefore going to suggest
>>>>>>>       some
>>>>>>>        > > topics below that do reflect the collected interests and
>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>        > > research questions underway in the Research Questions Task
>>>>>>>       Force, as
>>>>>>>        > > well as APA more broadly.
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > They are (in no particular order):
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > * Accessibility APIs: Future directions
>>>>>>>        > > * Emerging technologies and user requirements: XR
>>>>>>>       Accessibility, Natural
>>>>>>>        > > language accessibility
>>>>>>>        > > * XR Architectures: Future directions
>>>>>>>        > > * Assistive technology, browsers and pronunciation
>>>>>>>        > > * Personalization and accessibility
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > If you like this approach and agree to these suggestions, I can
>>>>>>>       write
>>>>>>>        > > them more descriptively.
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > Secondly, I would be very happy to help you (wearing an APA
>>>>>>>       hat) with
>>>>>>>        > > paper review and organisation as you need.
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > Happy to hear your thoughts, and indeed input from others.
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > With thanks
>>>>>>>        > >
>>>>>>>        > > Josh
>>>>>>>        >
>>>>>>>        > --
>>>>>>>        > Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>>>>>>>        > Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
>>>>>>>        > Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>>>>>        > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Janina Sajka
>>>>>>>       https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>>>>       Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
>>>>>> (WAI)
>>>>>>>       Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Carlos Duarte*
>>>>>>> LASIGE, Faculdade de Ciências, Universidade de Lisboa
>>>>>>> Web: https://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~cad/ <https://www.di.fc.ul.pt/%7Ecad/>
>>>>>>> Twitter: @carlosapaduarte
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Emerging Web Technology Specialist/Accessibility (WAI/W3C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Carlos Duarte*
>>>>> LASIGE, Faculdade de Ciências, Universidade de Lisboa
>>>>> Web: https://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~cad/
>>>>> Twitter: @carlosapaduarte
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> *Carlos Duarte*
>>>> LASIGE, Faculdade de Ciências, Universidade de Lisboa
>>>> Web: https://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~cad/
>>>> Twitter: @carlosapaduarte
>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> title: 'Shape the Future: Research and Development Questions in Digital
>>>>     Accessibility'
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Call for Submissions
>>>>
>>>> The Web Accessibility Initiative - Communities of Practice
>>>> ([WAI-CooP](https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/projects/wai-coop/)) Project
>>>> and the W3C Accessible Platform Architectures
>>>> ([APA](https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/)) invite researchers, practitioners,
>>>> and people with disabilities to participate in an international online
>>>> symposium exploring research challenges and opportunities in digital
>>>> accessibility.
>>>>
>>>> Symposium date: **10 November 2021**
>>>>
>>>> Paper submission date: **6 October 2021**
>>>>
>>>> Accepted contributions will be made available on the symposium page and
>>>> will be open to discussion prior to the symposium through the WAI-CooP
>>>> open forum \[link?\]. Authors of accepted contributions will be invited
>>>> to participate as panelists in the symposium. Attendance to the
>>>> symposium is open to anyone interested.
>>>>
>>>> Introduction
>>>> ============
>>>>
>>>> This online symposium brings together researchers, academics, industry,
>>>> government, and people with disabilities, to explore the current
>>>> state-of-the-art in accessibility research, development, and practice to
>>>> uncover pressing topics for future research and development.
>>>>
>>>> Another goal of this symposium is to explore potential gaps between the
>>>> topics discussed by researchers and practitioners. By increasing
>>>> awareness to the challenges faced by all communities, collaborations
>>>> could emerge and improve the current state of accessibility research and
>>>> practice.
>>>>
>>>> We welcome submissions that address, but are not limited to, the
>>>> following topics:
>>>>
>>>> -   Application Programming Interfaces (APIs)
>>>>
>>>> -   Artificial Intelligence (AI)
>>>>
>>>> -   Assistive Technology
>>>>
>>>> -   Data Visualization
>>>>
>>>> -   Education and training
>>>>
>>>> -   Emerging technologies
>>>>
>>>> -   Evaluation, metrics and scoring
>>>>
>>>> -   Immersive Environments (XR)
>>>>
>>>> -   Machine Learning (ML)
>>>>
>>>> -   Multimodal Interfaces
>>>>
>>>> -   Natural Language Interfaces
>>>>
>>>> -   Personalization
>>>>
>>>> -   Pronunciation
>>>>
>>>> -   Remote Participation
>>>>
>>>> -   User requirements
>>>>
>>>> We invite position papers discussing these topics using real-life
>>>> settings and raising current issues and needs for discussion. After the
>>>> symposium, the WAI-CooP project will publish a report, consolidating the
>>>> discussions and findings.
>>>>
>>>> Important Dates
>>>> ===============
>>>>
>>>> -   **6 October 2021:** Deadline for submissions
>>>>
>>>> -   **27 October 2021:** Author notifications
>>>>
>>>> -   **7 November 2021: Deadline for registration**
>>>>
>>>> -   **10 November 2021:** Online symposium event
>>>>
>>>> Paper Submissions
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> We invite the submission of position papers of no more than 1500 words.
>>>> We encourage concise contributions clearly explaining the:
>>>>
>>>> -   Problem addressed
>>>>
>>>> -   Relevant background
>>>>
>>>> -   Challenges
>>>>
>>>> -   Outcomes
>>>>
>>>> -   Future perspectives
>>>>
>>>> Position papers must be submitted in the template provided, be valid
>>>> HTML, and meet WCAG 2.1 Level AA.
>>>>
>>>> Review Process
>>>> ==============
>>>>
>>>> Contributions will be reviewed by the Scientific Committee. Each paper
>>>> will get at least two independent reviews for criteria including
>>>> clarity, soundness, and relevance to the symposium. Papers will be
>>>> accepted based on these criteria and space availability.
>>>>
>>>> Logistics
>>>> =========
>>>>
>>>> This meeting will take place on the Zoom teleconference system with
>>>> real-time captioning. Connection details will be sent by email to
>>>> registered participants.
>>>>
>>>> Registration
>>>> ============
>>>>
>>>> Participation is free, but registration is required by 7 November 2021.
>>>>
>>>> Organizing Committee
>>>> ====================
>>>>
>>>> -   Chairs
>>>>
>>>>       -   Carlos Duarte (LASIGE, Faculty of Sciences of the University of
>>>>           Lisbon)
>>>>
>>>>       -   Letícia Seixas Pereira (LASIGE, Faculty of Sciences of the
>>>>           University of Lisbon)
>>>>
>>>> -   APA Liaison
>>>>
>>>>       -   Joshue O\'Connor (W3C/WAI)
>>>>
>>>> Scientific Committee
>>>> ====================
>>>>
>>>> (Will be announced soon)
>>>>
>>>> Organization
>>>> ============
>>>>
>>>> The "Shape the Future: Research and Development Questions in Digital
>>>> Accessibility" research symposium is organized by the
>>>> [WAI-CooP](https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/projects/wai-coop/) Project, an
>>>> European Commission co-funded project, under the Horizon 2020 Program
>>>> (101004794) and the W3C Accessible Platform Architectures
>>>> ([APA](https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/)).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>> Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
>> Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> 

-- 
Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

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