- From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:04:17 -0400
- To: Axel Polleres <axel.polleres@deri.org>
- Cc: debruijn@inf.unibz.it, "Public-Rif-Wg (E-mail)" <public-rif-wg@w3.org>
>
> Jos de Bruijn wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sandro Hawke wrote:
> >>> Let me reiterate (for the third time) my extremely simple compromise
> >>> proposal. Here expand(foo) means substitute with the prefix
> >>> definition of
> >>> foo.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Standalone occurrence:
> >>> foo:bar ---> "expand(foo)bar"^^"http://www.w3.org/2007/rif#iri"
> >>>
> >>> 2. A ^^-occurrence:
> >>> "abc"^^foo:bar ----> "abc"^^"expand(foo)bar"
> >>
> >> I can live with this, if we don't use "^^". This was the second option
> >> in my e-mail, although I accidentally expanded bar as well.
> >>
> >> The problem with ^^ is that it's very distinctive and is used in other
> >> semantic web languages. But in those languages, it's followed by a URI
> >> constant not a string constant. So I'd have to object that re-using
> >> ^^ with this kind of type difference is too confusing to users.
> >
> > I thought that in RIF ^^ is also always followed by an IRI constant?
>
> In those other languages you are speaking about, it is followed by a IRI
> in angle brackets or a CURIE:
>
> N3: http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/n3/
>
> literal ::= string dtlang
> dtlang ::= "@" langcode | "^^" symbol
> symbol ::= explicituri | qname
> explicituri ::= <[^>]*>
> qname ::= /* what we called CURIE */
>
> Turtle: http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/
>
> literal ::= quotedString ( '@' language )? | datatypeString
> | integer | double | decimal | boolean
> datatypeString ::= quotedString '^^' resource
> resource ::= uriref | qname
> uriref ::= '<' relativeURI '>'
> qname ::= /* what we called CURIE */
>
>
> SPARQL: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/
>
> RDFLiteral ::= String ( LANGTAG | ( '^^' IRIref ) )?
>
> IRI_REF ::= '<' ([^<>"{}|^`\]-[#x00-#x20])* '>'
>
> Note: No CURIEs allowed in the Grammar there for the type, although
> they use CURIEs in the examples in the spec... actually, that
> seems to be a bug in their grammar.
>
>
>
>
> > I think we should stick with the ^^ in RIF, because its use actually
> > generalizes the use in the other semantic Web languages.
>
> I fully agree that RIF presentation syntax should generalize those
> languages, yes. We already defer by putting the langtag in side the
> string, BTW.
Right, but Michael is adamantly against RIF-PS generalizing those
languages. So, I can live with this other approach. No pointy
brackets and no ^^.
-- Sandro
>
> Axel
>
> > Best, Jos
> >
> >>
> >> In my previous e-mail I wrote a^^b as lit(a,b), which seems about
> >> right. I'm not sure what we should call "lit". SWI-Prolog calls in
> >> "type(b, a)". [1]
> >> I suppose the obvious thing is "Const", so the change in the grammar is:
> >>
> >> Remove:
> >>
> >> Const ::= '"' UNICODESTRING '"^^' SYMSPACE
> >>
> >> Add (trying to keep current style):
> >>
> >> Const ::= 'Const(' '"' UNICODESTRING ',' '"' SYMSPACE '"' ')'
> >>
> >> Does that work?
> >>
> >> I'd also consider putting the symspace first (as in SWI-Prolog), because
> >> in a sense it's the most-significant part.
> >>
> >>> If you do not like "..." for the after the ^^-part, use '...' or even
> >>> <...>.
> >>> But, in the latter case, <...> CANNOT be used as a macro. That is,
> >>>
> >>> <abc> --X--> "abc"^^rif:iri.
> >>>
> >>> is a no-no.
> >>>
> >>> My proposal allows some simple form of context sensitivity, but not the
> >>> above <...> macro atrocity (if <...> is also used after the ^^).
> >>> I do not see why we need such a macro in the first place, if in most
> >>> cases
> >>> we will be using foo:bar.
> >>
> >> I can't think of any reason we need "<" ... ">", but we might. I think
> >> we can leave them out until/unless we need them.
> >>
> >> -- Sandro
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.swi-prolog.org/packages/rdf2pl.html#sec:3.1
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Dr. Axel Polleres, Digital Enterprise Research Institute (DERI)
> email: axel.polleres@deri.org url: http://www.polleres.net/
>
> rdfs:Resource owl:differentFrom xsd:anyURI .
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