Re: RIF Minutes for 21-Aug-07-rif-minutes.html

> Michael Kifer wrote:
> >>>>>> Axel: Strings with @ signs in RDF - will this be OK in the proposed 
> >>>>>> format for such literals?
> >>>> The original proposal was that the text type is a pair of lexical form 
> >>>> and language code. The XML syntax would use attributes for the language 
> >>>> code as normal. For the presentation syntax (but see below) I'd suggest 
> >>>> following N3/Turtle:
> >>>>
> >>>>             "string"@lang
> >>>>
> >>>> which would correspond to the literal value ("string", lang)^^rif:text.
> >>> For uniformity of the syntax, it is better to use "string@lang"^^...
> >>> where @ is special (i.e., needs to be escaped, if one wants to include it
> >>> in the string. 
> >>> By the way, why can't we use xsd:string data type for these?
> >> Because, in this case, it would be impossible to distinguish between
> >> strings with a '@', and strings with a language tag.
> > 
> > No. Read again about having @ a special symbol that needs to be escaped.
> 
> So, you propose to always escape it? It seems that you would then change
> the xsd:string datatype, which is something we should avoid.

Perhaps using xsd:string is not the right way, since this type does not
have the language specifier (right?).  So, we should use a different data
type. Perhaps rif:text or rif:istring.  But the syntax should be uniform:
"...@lang"^^rif:text.  Inside the "..." the @ sign should be escaped if it
is not the language sign.

> >>>>>> Jos: this is also a need to ask the XML schema group re such literal 
> >>>>>> handling
> >>>> Exactly, and we should wait until we have their comments before 
> >>>> finalizing this part.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Chris: 4 syntaxes in use: presentation + XML, ASN and "formal"
> >>>> I've been meaning to raise this. That does seem rather a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> The original argument for the presentation syntax was that it was needed 
> >>>> to enable the semantics to be clearly presented. The bulk of the 
> >>>> document now uses the formal syntax for this purpose.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do we still need the presentation syntax as well?
> >>> The presentation syntax is basically the same as the formal syntax. We just
> >>> give a BNF for it.
> >> The current document (posted conditions) defines a formal syntax which
> >> uses the common mathematical notation  you find in textbooks in the
> >> definition of well formed formulas, but the uses the concrete syntax
> >> (the one for which the BNF is given) in other places.  These are two
> >> different syntaxes.
> > 
> > The two syntaxes are basically the same.
> 
> I would suggest only presenting one of them in the document.

The presentation syntax is BNF of the formal syntax with a few more details
that are to be used in the examples.  Using only XML for examples is a bad
practice; makes documents incomprehensible.


	--michael  


> Best, Jos
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 	--michael  
> > 
> > 
> >> Best, Jos
> >>
> >>>
> >>> 	--michael  
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Dave
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> >>>
> >> -- 
> >> Jos de Bruijn            debruijn@inf.unibz.it
> >>                       http://www.debruijn.net/
> >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> As far as the laws of mathematics refer to
> >> reality, they are not certain; and as far as
> >> they are certain, they do not refer to
> >> reality.
> >>   -- Albert Einstein
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> > 
> 
> -- 
> Jos de Bruijn            debruijn@inf.unibz.it
>                       http://www.debruijn.net/
> ----------------------------------------------
> As far as the laws of mathematics refer to
> reality, they are not certain; and as far as
> they are certain, they do not refer to
> reality.
>   -- Albert Einstein
> 
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