- From: Christopher Welty <welty@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:21:26 -0500
- To: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@isr.umd.edu>
- Cc: public-rif-wg@w3.org, public-rif-wg-request@w3.org
Bijan,
FWIW, the wiki is not replacing the current practice for publishing notes
- this will still be done in the same manner as other WGs.
In particular:
1) a small number of editors who commit drafts to cvs
2) discussion carried out primarily on the mailing list
(and in
meetings of course)
3) changes to drafts announced to the mailing list
Will all still be true of notes, recs, etc. - the "formal" products of the
WG.
The wiki is merely a place to coalesce the initial contributions, and
especially to facilitate communication and "getting to know" each other.
The glossary, e.g., will (I hope) be a tremendous resource for us.
-Chris
Dr. Christopher A. Welty, Knowledge Structures Group
IBM Watson Research Center, 19 Skyline Dr., Hawthorne, NY 10532
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Bijan Parsia <bparsia@isr.umd.edu>
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12/20/2005 12:58 PM
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Wiki qualms
I have severe qualms about the heavy use of the Wiki for conducting
working group business. Some of it is totally harmless (e.g.,
adminstrivial stuff), some of it is somewhat problematic (e.g.,
discussion moved to the wiki).
I've used Wiki's going back to the early days and they are very nice
for a lot of things, but the kind of use we are putting them to in this
working group is, afaict, entirely noval to the W3C. I think this is
not a great idea, or at least requires more thought, as W3C public
observers are uses to being able to follow, e.g., discussions on
mailing lists and having editor's drafts to look at, etc.
I would prefer that we adhered to normal wg practices, e.g.,
1) a small number of editors who commit drafts to cvs
2) discussion carried out primarily on the mailing list
(and in
meetings of course)
3) changes to drafts announced to the mailing list
This does have some downsides wrt the Wiki e.g.,:
not every one can edit
you can't inline comments
the mailing list gets more traffic
However, I think these downsides are counterbalanced by:
a push rather than pull mode of discussion
the ability to refer to email points and drafts by the
"normal" W3C
uris (archive and wd)
well understood structure
We've already had downtime on the wiki due to a not w3c server going
down. That also lowers my confidence (even though I'm a big moinmoin
fan).
I think either can be made to work, but I would prefer that the wiki
*shadowed* traditional W3C practice (or generated it in parallel, as
with the agenda) rather that we leap into replacing it. Esp., as is
evident, that this group is not, as a whole, wiki savvy. There's enough
to learn :)
Cheers,
Bijan.
Received on Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:21:38 UTC