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Re: Revisiting aspect ratios in sizes

From: Jonathan Kingston <jonathan@jooped.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2016 16:15:46 +0000
Message-ID: <CAKrjaaVKo=3dpMe4CJ7zV8sgWPZ1Z5Kw3zFOoxjaLEgELJ0U3g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Greg Whitworth <gwhit@microsoft.com>, Yoav Weiss <yoav@yoav.ws>, Jason Grigsby <jason@cloudfour.com>
Cc: "public-respimg@w3.org" <public-respimg@w3.org>
I haven't forgotten, I shall be working with a designer to hammer out use
cases hopefully on Friday :).

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 4:51 PM Greg Whitworth <gwhit@microsoft.com> wrote:

> I also created a repo with issues that were actioned at the meeting:
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> https://github.com/WICG/aspect-ratio
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> If anyone wants to provide use cases where they utilize the padding hack
> or other methodology to achieve aspect-ratio, feel free to add them to the
> readme via PR.
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> ~Greg
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> *From:* Yoav Weiss [mailto:yoav@yoav.ws]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 7:52 AM
> *To:* Jason Grigsby <jason@cloudfour.com>
> *Cc:* public-respimg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Revisiting aspect ratios in sizes
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> My notes from the meeting (among others) are at
> https://blog.yoav.ws/tpac_2016/
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> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Jason Grigsby <jason@cloudfour.com> wrote:
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> Hi Yoav,
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> What was the outcome of the discussion at TPAC? Is it shipping in browsers
> next month? ;)
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> -Jason
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> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Yoav Weiss <yoav@yoav.ws> wrote:
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> Thanks all!
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> A bunch of us are currently at TPAC, so we're running a session about this
> problem and related proposals. We'll try to keep minutes and publish
> conclusions (if there are any)
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> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jonathan Kingston <jonathan@jooped.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> Hi All,
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> I drafted a similar demo for creating a new size property in CSS and
> expanded from Tab Atkins aspect ratio work here in this demo (this links to
> a draft spec also):
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> https://jonathankingston.github.io/logical-sizing-properties/demo/index.html
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> The discussion was started here:
> https://discourse.wicg.io/t/shorthand-for-width-height-css-longhands/1160/26
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> Also CSSWG thread:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Sep/0046.html
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> I would love your input on this as ideally if this is going to be a
> property of HTML it would make sense to have some form of syntax interop.
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> Thanks
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> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:22 AM Tommy Hodgins <tomhodgins@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hey Jason & everybody!
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> I have two code demos to contribute toward this discussion. I often have
> to implement responsive video embeds and instead of trying the “*wrapper
> + padding hack”* technique for every video I have to embed — and then
> find some other way to calculate the aspect ratio based on its dimensions —
> I’ve taken to just copy/pasting the embed code directly from Youtube or
> Vimeo with the width="" and height="" attributes intact, and using JS to
> calculate the correct height for the element as the width adapts to fill
> its container responsively:
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> http://codepen.io/tomhodgins/pen/PZqaLm
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> The other example demonstrates how responsive aspect ratio might work in
> CSS. The desired aspect ratio is stored in a custom data attribute called
> data-ratio="" and read by (JS and) CSS and the correct height is
> calculated based on the same formula:
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> http://codepen.io/tomhodgins/pen/XKJpYr
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> So I hope these two demos can serve as a springboard for further
> brainstorms & exploration! Me and my buddies have often discussed that it
> would be cool if there was a $nativeWidth or $nativeHeight unit in CSS
> that was aware of the native resolution of any image/video content that you
> could use in your calculations - but haven’t mocked up support for that yet.
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> Also, on the element queries front: this week I had a fun implementing of
> an element query solution in ~40-lines of JavaScript. It’s a non
> container-query style element query demo that uses custom data attributes
> and applies classes, so the features are quite limited. But hopefully this
> demo will help simplify the concept for people wondering how to implement
> element queries, or use them: http://codepen.io/tomhodgins/pen/bwwNRr
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> Happy hacking,
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> Tommy
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:44 AM, Jason Grigsby <jason@cloudfour.com> wrote:
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> Back in 2014, Steve Caflin started an interesting thread on finding some
> way to tell the browser the size of the image in the page for the purposes
> of assisting with layout.[^1]
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> The conversation led to two tickets in Github about intrinsic
> dimensions[^2] and how sizes only works with width-constrained images.[^3]
> Conversations on both tickets have subsided and issue #86 was explicitly
> tabled.
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> I would like to reopen this conversation. In particular, we've seen an
> increased emphasis on providing old school width and height attributes to
> avoid the page jumping around.
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> AMP Pages explicitly require height and width declarations for this
> reason.[^4] Owen Cambell-Moore's UI recommendations for Progressive Web
> Apps also state you should avoid pages jumping around by declaring height
> and width.[^5]
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> The problem was also recently raised on the www-style list[^6] where
> Rachel Nabors[^7] among others described how this is a generalized problem
> for more than simply images.
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> I believe we need to strongly consider two actions:
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> 1. Prioritize adding aspect ratio information to sizes (or adding a aspect
> attribute).
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> 2. Considering extending the sizes (and an aspect attribute if one exists)
> to be available to other elements that provide similar layout problems in
> responsive designs.
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> With sizes, we've provided half of what the browser needs to reserve the
> size of the image in the page. If the browser knew the aspect ratio, it
> could calculate the other half. Let's find a way to make this happen.
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> -Jason
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> [^1]:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-respimg/2014Oct/0043.html
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> [^2]: https://github.com/ResponsiveImagesCG/picture-element/issues/85
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> [^3]: https://github.com/ResponsiveImagesCG/picture-element/issues/86
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> [^4]: https://www.ampproject.org/docs/guides/amp_replacements.html
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> [^5]:
> https://medium.com/@owencm/designing-great-uis-for-progressive-web-apps-dd38c1d20f7#.hzxdz4z7d
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> [^6]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jun/0072.html
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> [^7]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jun/0091.html
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