Re: Meet-up with browser representatives and the W3C

Shane,

I work for a CMS vendor but will be contributing as part of the web
community rather than my official work hat on.

We need a solution implemented that works best for the web, first and
foremost, both in terms of moving forwards as well as keeping an eye on the
implementations of the past.

When it comes to 'writing' the implementation, I think the ease of use will
have a bearing on the final decision but not be the only driving force.
 Once a decision is made it will be up to the CMS vendors to make life easy
for their users, and I think this will not involve including the final
markup as part of the content, but rather it will be generated as part of
the content when the page is generated to keep things simple.  I've got
lots of thoughts/ideas on this... but that's for another discussion.

Cheers,

J


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Shane Hudson <Shane@shanehudson.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> Just quickly picking up on the point you made of tools generating proper
> markup... while this is true, CMSes are often used to stop people worrying
> about markup, it should not be something considered when it comes to
> developing the standards. If we (as web developers) do not understand the
> syntax, it should not be used. HTML is meant to be easy for beginners, so
> to hear presumably experienced developers mention relying on tools.. makes
> me shiver a bit!
>
> So yeah, tools are good but we should definitely be able to write it
> ourselves. I sometimes use CSS gradient generators, but only to speed up my
> coding.
>
> Sorry to be on the aggressive there but hopefully you understand where I'm
> coming from.
>
> Shane
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:36 PM, John Albin Wilkins <john@albin.net>wrote:
>
>> I was thinking about attending, but now that I see Attiks (Peter) is
>> going to be there, I feel confident that the Drupal/CMS sphere will be
>> properly represented. :-)
>>
>> One of the common complaints about some of these syntaxes is that they
>> are "too difficult to write". Having a tool that automatically generates
>> the proper markup (like a CMS) makes that problem moot.
>>
>> The direction Drupal picture integration is headed is to an
>> auto-configuration option. If the system knows the meta data about a
>> responsive layout, a site builder could place a picture into a specific
>> region of the layout and the system could auto-configure and generate the
>> full HTML of any markup needed.
>>
>>  - John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Marcos Caceres <w3c@marcosc.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 29, 2013 at 5:28 PM, John Allan wrote:
>>>
>>> > Will it be possible to participate online? I'm interested but cannot
>>> come to Paris.
>>>
>>> We are looking into ways to make that happen. Will let you know soon!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcos Caceres
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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