- From: François REMY <fremycompany_pub@yahoo.fr>
- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:33:31 +0200
- To: "Jason Grigsby" <jason@cloudfour.com>
- Cc: <public-respimg@w3.org>
Thanks for the comments. 1) I think it's possible to avoid to make multiple HTTP request in most cases by directly serving the 2x version to a browser which advertise 2x support in an header (Vary: Resolution). I may update my proposal in the future to take that in consideration. BTW, sending a 2x version directly doesn't degrade the experience in the case of a JPEG-XR transfer becase JPEG-XR supports progressive loading (generating previews from partial data). However, using JPEG-XR directly and stopping the transfer when the client has enough data is not a good idea because it would result in a lot of wasted bandwidth (the time that the server receive the client message that it got enough information, a lot of data would already have been set by him, potentially the whole file). 2) That's what I'm trying here. By using no specific format for transfering the image, support is easy for browser vendors and hardware since we can build on existing formats such as PNG and JPEG-XR. 3) Yeah, we need to convince browser makers we need a solution for this. I'll try to reach some of them out using other channels once I worked out the issues I was reported. -----Message d'origine----- From: Jason Grigsby Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:23 PM To: François REMY Cc: public-respimg@w3.org Subject: Re: Responsive Image Protocol proposal That is a pretty cool demo. Love see the diffs. I have a few thoughts on it: 1. There is a real emphasis from the browser makers on reducing the number of http requests because it is one of the largest determents of page load time. While I like the solution and the fact it works with existing formats and could in theory be polyfilled, I wonder if this is the road we go down (new image format), if the browser makers would rather work with a new image format that contained the different resolutions in the same file so it was only one HTTP request. 2. In my mind, the question of new image formats has never been a question of whether or not they would be nice to have. They assuredly would be. It was a question of someone volunteering a format that the browser makers can agree on and that doesn’t infringe on someone’s IP. My sense is that the people in this group are ill-equipped to figure that out. Look at what happened with video codecs. I’m not saying a new format is impossible, but that it is somewhat out of our hands. My fantasy scenario is that one of the browser makers that participates in the W3C would come forth and volunteer a format and donate it to the web. One of the reasons for pushing forward with picture and srcset is that it forces the issue. If there are companies that don’t like srcset and would like to see a new image format, then they have a deadline to step up and make it happen before the new spec gets adopted. Pushing forward with a solution that we know will work, imperfections and all, forces the conversation to happen which is what we’re seeking. -Jason On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:21 AM, François REMY wrote: > Dear members, > > I’m new to this group and I hope I don’t relaunch an already-existing > thread but here’s a proposal I crafted about a Responsive Image > Protocol (file format) that some of you may find interesting : > > > http://fremycompany.com/BG/2012/Responsive-Image-Protocol-proposal-908/ > > > Please feel free to comment; this is only an experiment at this point > but I think it can solve a lot of the current respimg problem, and > replace the srcset attribute (aka RIP srcset). > > > Best regards, > François > -- Jason Grigsby +1 (503) 290-1090 o +1 (503) 502-7211 m jason@cloudfour.com http://cloudfour.com
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