Re: Planning to close the RDF Surfaces Community Group

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Ian

> On May 23, 2025, at 1:32 AM, Patrick Hochstenbach <Patrick.Hochstenbach@UGent.be> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ian
>  The experiments can be found here :
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> https://github.com/KNowledgeOnWebScale/n3s-policy-consistency-checker
> https://github.com/KNowledgeOnWebScale/birthday
>  We have also contributions to the ESWC conference next week that discuss the potential for RDF Surfaces for policy implementors.
> 
> BR,
> 
> Patrick
>  From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
> Date: Thursday, 22 May 2025 at 15:15
> To: Patrick Hochstenbach <Patrick.Hochstenbach@UGent.be>
> Cc: Jos De Roo <josderoo@gmail.com>, David Booth <david@dbooth.org>, public-rdfsurfaces@w3.org <public-rdfsurfaces@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: Planning to close the RDF Surfaces Community Group
> Thank you for the update, Patrick. We won’t close the group and we’ll check in again in about six months. For the ODRL experiments, if you set up a repo for those, send me the link. 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ian
> 
> > On May 21, 2025, at 11:37 PM, Patrick Hochstenbach <Patrick.Hochstenbach@UGent.be> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Ian, Jos, David
> >  Yes, there is continued interest and work on the RDF Surfaces. We are currently working in our group test RDF Surfaces on some use-cases to discover our requirements gap (we many focus on policy languages, such as ODRL implementations [1]). Indeed there is an accepted conference paper [2] and a SWJ journal paper [3] waiting for acceptance that contain both a more formal approach to RDF Surfaces we would like to provide the starting point for a specification for the CG.
> > 
> > It would be great if we could add the RDF Surfaces tests to the CG home page and including also the ODRL experiments. I will figure out how to add those.
> > 
> > We will soon also open again the group video calls to discuss the current state and future directions.
> > 
> > BR
> > Patrick Hochstenbach
> > 
> > [1] https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FKNowledgeOnWebScale%2Fn3s-policy-consistency-checker&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190477014%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=08xad5X25WU7EA7WUnr9VZM7EANRmo2sKWa4QsiuT3c%3D&reserved=0
> > [2] https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Fchapter%2F10.1007%2F978-3-031-72407-7_15&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190511448%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JXahZwhcSTKyy%2BM5KeIUqxX20Dx%2BgVFkV%2FVniorfJXg%3D&reserved=0
> > [3] https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.semantic-web-journal.net%2Fcontent%2Frdf-surfaces-enabling-classical-negation-semantic-web&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190526179%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=l8aohsosCWbPre3H7n0d%2F99RI0M1Sn%2FU3HHDymcP7hY%3D&reserved=0
> >  From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 21:12
> > To: Jos De Roo <josderoo@gmail.com>
> > Cc: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>, public-rdfsurfaces@w3.org <public-rdfsurfaces@w3.org>
> > Subject: Re: Planning to close the RDF Surfaces Community Group
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I asked some questions in the original email and it would be great to get a better understanding of (1) where current work is happening and (2) whether there are any standardization plans.
> > 
> > Thanks for the links you’ve provided. A few notes:
> > 
> > 1) RDF Surfaces Primer. This does not appear to be a deliverable of the CG (given the front matter). Is it intended to be a CG deliverable? (Also, it does not appear
> >     to be a Specification, so I don’t have IPR questions for you.)
> > 
> > 2) RDF Surfaces tests. Should we link to that repo from the CG home page? That would help our tools detect activity.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > 
> > Ian
> > 
> > > On May 21, 2025, at 1:24 PM, Jos De Roo <josderoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Ian and David,
> > > 
> > > The work is by far not done, there is an initial spec [1],
> > > 4 independent implementations [4] and a SWJ Journal paper
> > > in the works [3] but this is just scratching the surfaces :-)
> > > 
> > > So let us continue and I believe this is also what Pat Hayes
> > > who is the originator of RDF Surfaces [4], would want. 
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Jos
> > > 
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> > > [1] https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c-cg.github.io%2Frdfsurfaces%2F&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190560518%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YGVuoOnmwbxxaRBChGUTjTtxMce2fU%2B5ZFleAnIPYOI%3D&reserved=0
> > > [2] https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Feyereasoner%2Frdfsurfaces-tests&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190578953%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lfBq42E5nyWJ%2Fj9Zt0Bkc8FWcAJywa0x2L0sY9HSiMU%3D&reserved=0
> > > [3] https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fabs%2F2406.10659&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190597262%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uZxDKAokwusK90i7e7yWG3aDOZ4tNesW6Yvb5g1P2jQ%3D&reserved=0
> > > [4] https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.slideshare.net%2Fslideshow%2Fblogic-iswc-2009-invited-talk%2F2369735&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190618825%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Zo%2BxaVbGQ%2FFX%2B89lg8Gb%2Bvu4eo9zEtwbgJ4t9EPixsA%3D&reserved=0
> > > 
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> > > On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 7:59 PM David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote:
> > > Ian's message:
> > > 
> > > On 5/20/25 14:19, Ian Jacobs wrote:
> > > > Dear participants in the
> > > > 
> > > >    RDF Surfaces Community Group
> > > >    https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fcommunity%2Frdfsurfaces%2F&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190639280%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Xe24OE6ZWvTb87LHR6Df9SQzV9plcUHZXX8Z7czz%2ByI%3D&reserved=0
> > > >    
> > > > Your Community Group appears to have become inactive (per [1]). Based on discussions with W3C staff we are planning to close this group. If you have any questions, please respond to this email before 27 May 2025.
> > > 
> > > prompted me to notice this from a year ago:
> > > 
> > > On 5/3/24 03:48, Jos De Roo wrote:
> > >  > Hi,
> > >  >
> > >  > There is a new RDF Surfaces Primer Living Document, 1 May 2024
> > >  > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c-cg.github.io%2Frdfsurfaces%2F&data=05%7C02%7CPatrick.Hochstenbach%40ugent.be%7C606e0ee684254f4b722b08dd9932b18c%7Cd7811cdeecef496c8f91a1786241b99c%7C1%7C0%7C638835165190654646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dOdowsCPm2VhAAkO4rUU78VnEddL52bSANP98dN307I%3D&reserved=0
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> > > I'm sorry that this document escaped my attention when it was posted.  I 
> > > am now looking at it, and I like what I am reading.  I think this work 
> > > really has merit, and I hope that interest in it does not disappear.  I 
> > > do have some specific suggestions on the draft document, but first I'm 
> > > wonder where others stand, about Ian's intention to close the group.
> > > 
> > > Should this group continue?  Is there still interest?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > David Booth
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > 
> > > > CG/BG System
> > > > 
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> > > > Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
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