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Re: [Turtle] Re: bang ! in turtle

From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:05:19 -0500
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1299078319.2169.112.camel@waldron>
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 15:18 +0100, Ivan Herman wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 15:10 , Nathan wrote:
> 
> > Lee Feigenbaum wrote:
> >> On 3/2/2011 5:15 AM, Steve Harris wrote:
> >>> On 2011-03-01, at 17:04, Ivan Herman wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> As a _personal view_ I would be very cautious in adding new things
> >>>> to Turtle. What we should do is to standardize a widely used
> >>>> language and we should be careful not to require existing parser
> >>>> deployments to do additional development. If there are ambiguities
> >>>> and errors (eg, the issue of "18." vs "18 .") these of course
> >>>> should be fixed but we should be very careful in going beyond
> >>>> that.
> >>> 
> >>> Very strong +1.
> >>> 
> >>> It is my firm belief that working groups should standardise common
> >>> practice. The alternative is working groups that drag on for years,
> >>> and tend to produce recs that are not as useful as they should be.
> >> My experiences and beliefs align with what Steve and Ivan say here.
> >> ("+1")
> > 
> > possibly surprisingly, +1 also.
> > 
> > caveat: super-turtle is needed also

I looooove that name.   We have to do this, just so we can use that
name.  :-)

> That is not clear to me either. We probably need something like TrIG if we find the right ways for the graph identification, and we would probably give it a different name and a different media type to differentiate it from Turtle. But I would advocate for the absolute minimum changes necessary for graph identification.

Why the "absolute minimum change"?   Why not add some nice little
features, time permitting?

> As I said before, alas, the rule part of n3 is _not_ in our charter, ie, we should not do that. This should be done in a RIF related group to reconcile it with RIF semantics and, unfortunately, we do not have the manpower for that at this moment...

Indeed.  

   -- Sandro

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