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Re: Graphs and Being and Time

From: Nathan <nathan@webr3.org>
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:13:32 +0000
Message-ID: <4D6D455C.4040701@webr3.org>
CC: David Wood <david.wood@talis.com>, RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
missed a reference.. in-line

Nathan wrote:
> David Wood wrote:
>> On Mar 1, 2011, at 05:32, Nathan wrote:
>>> Nathan wrote:
>>>> David Wood wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 13:12, Pat Hayes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is much simpler: it is just wanting the WG to acknowledge that 
>>>>>> "an RDF graph" can either be a mathematical set, or it can be some 
>>>>>> kind of document or data structure or file than can be transmitted 
>>>>>> over a computer network. But it can't be both.
>>>>> What is the difference between an "RDF graph" and a RESTful 
>>>>> "resource"?  What is the difference between an "RDF graph token" 
>>>>> and a RESTful "representation"?
>>>> REST maps a resource to a set of values over time, each single value 
>>>> has a 1:N relationship with representations, "RDF Graph" (the 
>>>> mathematical set, platonic abstraction, g-snap) equates to a single 
>>>> value, and "RDF Graph Token" equates to a representation of that 
>>>> single value.
>>> REST maps a resource to a set of values over time, each single value 
>>> is a representation, representation equates to "RDF Graph Token" (a 
>>> chunk of rdf/xml or turtle, a g-text in Sandro's mail).
>>>
>>> The g-snap, or abstract graph, isn't a concept which relates to any 
>>> REST concept, rather it is something specific to our RDF use-cases, 
>>> in that we have a platonic abstraction, a mathematical set of 
>>> triples, which we juggle different realizations of (from in memory 
>>> structures through to serializations and so forth).
>>>
>>> So, to re-answer your question, "RDF Graph" is a term we've used to 
>>> refer to both the abstract set of triples, and the realizations of. 
>>> The only thing which equates anywhere near a "RESTful resource" in 
>>> our communities are "Named Graphs" and of course linked data which 
>>> uses RESTful resources, we GET <u> to retrieve a realization of an 
>>> abstract set of triples, to get some RDF in some format.
>>
>> Pardon me for saying so, but that doesn't make sense to me.
>>
>> A RESTful resource may be anything:  "the intended *conceptual* target 
>> of a hypertext reference" was one way Roy Fielding put it (emphasis 
>> mine).  There is no reason I can see that an abstract, mathematical 
>> concept cannot be a RESTful resource.
> 
> I don't really want to drag this subject up on this list, unless the 
> chairs / team contacts think it's worth it. So I'll merely point to a 
> discussion on this:
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Mar/0002.html

and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2011Mar/0005.html

> do also see the replies which clarifies the two world views of IRs, and 
> the third world view of no IRs just anythings.

cheers
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