Re: Combining TriG / Named Graph / RDF* / - What arethepossibilities?

Hi Olaf,
Good to know for the repo!
I’ve sent a PR on Github. 


Best,
Ghislain 

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> Le 3 sept. 2019 à 22:25, Olaf Hartig <olaf.hartig@liu.se> a écrit :
> 
> Ghislain,
> 
> That's great! Thanks!!
> 
> The natural place to push this document to is the 'RDFstar' directory of the 
> 'w3c/EasierRDF' github repo:
> 
> https://github.com/w3c/EasierRDF/tree/master/RDFstar
> 
> This repo is associated with the RDF-DEV CG within which we are planing to 
> produce the specification of the RDF*/SPARQL* approach as a CG report.
> 
> Thanks,
> Olaf
> 
> 
>> On tisdag 3 september 2019 kl. 17:20:42 CEST Ghislain ATEMEZING wrote:
>> Hi Olaf,
>> Yes, I can lead that effort (if no one else wants to do it 😊 )
>> 
>> Here is a sample version [1] of a template to collect those use cases. It is
>> based on a template with a contributor, a description of the use case and
>> if possible links to other parts of the document (requirements).
>> 
>> If you are happy with the idea, let me know where to push this draft so that
>> people can just contribute in the document (if needed).
>> 
>> HTH
>> Best,
>> Ghislain
>> 
>> [1]
>> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/gatemezing/work/blob/mast
>> er/RDFStarUCandRequirements.html#Deliverables
>> 
>> ------------------------------------
>> «Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none » (W. Shakespeare)
>> Web : http://atemezing.org
>> 
>> De : Olaf Hartig
>> Envoyé le :lundi 2 septembre 2019 18:46
>> À : Ghislain ATEMEZING
>> Cc : public-rdf-star@w3.org
>> Objet :Re: Combining TriG / Named Graph / RDF* / - What arethepossibilities?
>> 
>> Hi Ghislain,
>> 
>> Sounds good.
>> 
>> Would you volunteer to lead the effort of collecting such descriptions of
>> use cases?
>> 
>> Olaf
>> 
>>> On måndag 2 september 2019 kl. 15:17:48 CEST Ghislain ATEMEZING wrote:
>>> Hi Olaf,
>>> Re use cases consolidation
>>> 
>>> I guess we can just collect them in a document as you are doing with the
>>> spec. It will then be easier later on to reference and/or show the
>>> coverage
>>> of the tech spec.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> Best,
>>> Ghislain
>>> ------------------------------------
>>> «Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none » (W. Shakespeare)
>>> Web : http://atemezing.org
>>> 
>>> De : Olaf Hartig
>>> Envoyé le :lundi 2 septembre 2019 09:49
>>> À : Ghislain ATEMEZING
>>> Cc : public-rdf-star@w3.org
>>> Objet :Re: Combining TriG / Named Graph / RDF* / - What
>>> arethepossibilities?
>>> 
>>> Hi Ghislain,
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 2019-09-02 at 09:29 +0200, Ghislain ATEMEZING wrote:
>>>> Hi Olaf,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the clarification. Without reading the spec of Turtle*, I
>>>> can see now what can be feasible or not.
>>> 
>>> Great.
>>> 
>>>> Will it be possible to consolidate somehow use cases for RDF*?
>>> 
>>> That's a great idea! Do you have a proposal of how such work may be
>>> organized?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Olaf
>>> 
>>>> Sorry if I missed that from the previous threads.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Ghislain
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> «Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none » (W. Shakespeare)
>>>> 
>>>> Web : http://atemezing.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> De : Olaf Hartig
>>>> Envoyé le :dimanche 1 septembre 2019 21:11
>>>> À : public-rdf-star@w3.org
>>>> Cc : Ghislain ATEMEZING
>>>> Objet :Re: Combining TriG / Named Graph / RDF* / - What are
>>>> thepossibilities?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ghislain,
>>>> 
>>>>> On lördag 31 augusti 2019 kl. 11:48:46 CEST Ghislain ATEMEZING wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me ask what can be feasible by combining TriG notation / Named
>>>> 
>>>> Graph /
>>>> 
>>>>> RDF* all together. I give below some examples, and ask what could be
>>>>> 
>>>>> covered or not with the new extension.
>>>> 
>>>> Syntactically, each of these examples is possible. However, they may
>>>> be
>>>> 
>>>> interpreted to represent different things. In the following, below
>>>> each of
>>>> 
>>>> these examples, I will write what I would consider as a reasonable
>>>> 
>>>> interpretation. To avoid a similar discussion as we had it in the
>>>> other
>>>> 
>>>> thread, I assume that the property ':claims' in your examples is
>>>> replaced by a
>>>> 
>>>> property called ':asserts'.
>>>> 
>>>>> #1 - Alice claims sth in a named graph regarding Bob.
>>>>> 
>>>>> {
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  rdf:type  foaf:Person .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  foaf:name  "Alice" .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  :claims  <http://example/graph/g> .
>>>>> 
>>>>> }
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example/graph/g> {
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  rdf:type  foaf:Person .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  foaf:name  "Bob" .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  foaf:age "23"^^xsd:integer .
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> }
>>>> 
>>>> My interpretation: Person Alice asserts the whole set of triples that
>>>> make up
>>>> 
>>>> the graph denoted by IRI <http://example/graph/g>.
>>>> 
>>>>> #2- Alice claims sth in a graph regarding Bob with a confidence
>>>> 
>>>> score
>>>> 
>>>>> {
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  rdf:type  foaf:Person .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  foaf:name  "Alice" .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  :claims  << <http://example/graph/g>
>>>>> 
>>>>> :confidenceScore "0.8"^^xsd:double >> . }
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example/graph/g> {
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  rdf:type  foaf:Person .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  foaf:name  "Bob" .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  foaf:age "23"^^xsd:integer .
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> }
>>>> 
>>>> My interpretation: Person Alice asserts that the graph denoted by IRI
>>>> <http://
>>>> 
>>>> example/graph/g> has a confidence score of 0.8.
>>>> 
>>>>> #3- Alice claims sth in a graph regarding Bob with prov information
>>>>> 
>>>>> {
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  rdf:type  foaf:Person .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  foaf:name  "Alice" .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Alice>  :claims   <http://example/graph/g>  .
>>>>> 
>>>>> }
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example/graph/g> {
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  rdf:type  foaf:Person .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  foaf:name  "Bob" .
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/Bob>  foaf:age "23"^^xsd:integer .
>>>>> 
>>>>> }
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> {
>>>>> 
>>>>> <http://example.org/graph/g> :prov  << ex:website :lastUpdate
>>>>> 
>>>>> "2018/10/06"^^xsd:date >>
>>>>> 
>>>>> }
>>>> 
>>>> My interpretation: First, as in example #1 above, person Alice asserts
>>>> the
>>>> 
>>>> whole set of triples that make up the graph denoted by IRI
>>>> <http://example/
>>>> 
>>>> graph/g>.
>>>> 
>>>> Additionally (and totally independent of Alice's assertion), the
>>>> provenance of
>>>> 
>>>> that same graph is a triple saying that something denoted by the IRI
>>>> 
>>>> ex:website was last updated on Oct.6, 2018.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At its core, the latter sentence does not seem to make much sense
>>>> ("the
>>>> 
>>>> provenance of some graph is a specific triple"). However, that's what
>>>> I would
>>>> 
>>>> interpret from the nested RDF* triple at the end of your example #3.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Olaf
>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ghislain
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> «Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none » (W. Shakespeare)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Web : http://atemezing.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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