- From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:11:50 +0100
- To: "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org>
- Cc: "Hausenblas, Michael" <michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at>, "W3C RDFa task force" <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>, "Shane McCarron" <shane@aptest.com>, "Ben Adida" <ben@adida.net>, "Steven Pemberton" <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>
Sorry, I'm being dim, and thought that Ivan was replying to the point about the best practices document which came out of the telecon discussion of Michael's proposal. Ivan--we've already agreed not to add this to the spec, since as you correctly point out, from a triple point of view there is nothing to say because there is no difference between @href and @resource. We agreed that the only distinction we really want is between a navigable resource and a non-navigable one. (Which may or may not be based on information resources and the like, but it doesn't have to be--you could use @resource for an information resource if you are not bothered about the user being able to navigate to it.) Michael--I've been flushed out as not being in favour of the best practices document without even realising it. :) Sorry for any confusion... On 20/08/07, Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@x-port.net> wrote: > I do agree with Ivan, although I'll go with the majority decision if > other people think there is no problem. > > I think we should certainly ensure that we 'do the right thing' in the > primer, so that people can see examples of different use-cases or > @resource and @href. But in addition to Ivan's concerns, I'd also like > to add that we might be getting a few too many documents floating > around, and the primer and syntax documents should really be where we > focus our efforts. > > On 20/08/07, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote: > > Michael, > > > > with all due respect: I do not think we should go there. > > > > There are huge discussions on what information and non-information > > resources are, whether they are the right names, etc, etc; let us not go > > there. Also: from an RDF perspective, a URI is a URI, regardless of what > > they refer to (ie, informational or non-informational resource), which > > makes it even messier. Finally: no RDFa parser could check this > > requirement... > > > > Yes, I was in favour and I am in favour of using @resource in general, > > but we have agreed to allow for @href everywhere and there is no need to > > reopen that discussion. Having both actually helps the RDFa author to > > fine tune the generated triples; that is as far as we should go in my > > view... > > > > My two pence... > > > > Ivan > > > > Hausenblas, Michael wrote: > > > > > > I had a quick look at the RDFa Syntax [1] document > > > and did not actually find any usage of @resource. > > > (BTW, Shane, I did not find any @resource declarations in > > > the DTDs [2] and [3] - did I miss something?) > > > > > > Further, Ivan recently stated in [4]: > > > > > > 'I was always in favour of @resource, and @href only > > > in the dedicated place, ie, in <a>:-)' > > > > > > So, to assist people in using @resource and @href 'correctly', > > > I'd like to propose the following addition to the RDFa Syntax. > > > > > > <PROPOSAL> > > > > > > 'As per TAG finding httpRange-14 [5] the value of @href > > > MUST be an information resource, and the value of @resource > > > MAY be an information resource. RDFa authors SHALL use a URI > > > that identifies a non-information resources for the value > > > of @resource.' > > > > > > </END_OF_PROPOSAL> > > > > > > As an aside: The two RDFa test cases TC 31 [6] and > > > TC 32 [7] already demonstrate this 'good practice': > > > > > > TC 31 > > > ===== > > > > > > <p about="#wtw"> > > > The book <b>Weaving the Web</b> (hardcover) has the ISBN > > > <span rel="dc:identifier" > > > resource="urn:ISBN:0752820907">0752820907</span>. > > > </p> > > > > > > TC 32 > > > ===== > > > > > > <p about="#wtw"> > > > The book <b>Weaving the Web</b> (hardcover) has the ISBN > > > <a rel="dc:identifier" > > > resource="urn:ISBN:0752820907" > > > > > > href="http://www.amazon.com/Weaving-Web-Tim-Berners-Lee/dp/0752820907">0 > > > 752820907</a>. > > > </p> > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Michael > > > > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070812/ > > > [2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd > > > [3] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-hypertext-1.mod > > > [4] > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Aug/0121. > > > html > > > [5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#httpRange-14 > > > [6] > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0031 > > > [7] > > > http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0032 > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Michael Hausenblas, MSc. > > > Institute of Information Systems & Information Management > > > JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH > > > Steyrergasse 17, A-8010 Graz, AUSTRIA > > > > > > <office> > > > phone: +43-316-876-1193 (fax:-1191) > > > e-mail: michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at > > > web: http://www.joanneum.at/iis/ > > > > > > <private> > > > mobile: +43-660-7621761 > > > web: http://www.sw-app.org/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead > > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ > > PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html > > FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf > > > > > > > -- > Mark Birbeck, formsPlayer > > mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com | +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 > http://www.formsPlayer.com | http://internet-apps.blogspot.com > > standards. innovation. > -- Mark Birbeck, formsPlayer mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com | +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 http://www.formsPlayer.com | http://internet-apps.blogspot.com standards. innovation.
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