- From: Hausenblas, Michael <michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at>
- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:04:15 +0200
- To: "RDFa" <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
All, The record of the today's RDF-in-XHTML telecon is available [1]. A full text snapshot follows below. Cheers, Michael [1] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html Topics 1. Action Item Review 2. Test Cases 3. Documents 4. Implementations Summary of Action Items NEW] ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Ben to work through xml:lang issue with Ivan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Michael test how <SPAN /> behaves in Internet Explorer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Michael to email individual emails to resolve TCs 29-33 (TC 28 to be resolved post xml:lang discussion) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to sum up @href/@resource everywhere proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] ACTION: Ben writeup a summary of this discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [POSTPONED] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content after October [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] ________________________________________________________________________ W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF 2 Aug 2007 Agenda [1] See also: IRC log [2], previous 2007-07-26 [3] [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Aug/0004. html [2] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-irc [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-rdfa-minutes.html Attendees Present Ben Adida, Shane McCarron, Ralph Swick, Manu Sporny, Simone Onofri, Michael Hausenblas Regrets Mark Birbeck Chair Ben Scribe Michael, Ralph Contents Topics 1. Action Item Review 2. Test Cases 3. Documents 4. Implementations Summary of Action Items <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas <ShaneM> might be a couple of minutes late on the phone ok - anyway great to have you here! <RalphS> previous 2007-07-26 Ben: Did a lot last week - now TC Action Item Review -> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary <scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben writeup a summary of this discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] <benadida> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jul/0209. html <scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to sum up @href/@resource everywhere proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES] <scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES] <scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES] <scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content after October [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES] Test Cases <RalphS> scribenick: ralphs <mhausenblas> TC Michael: we've already reviewed 1 through 18 Ben: I can volunteer to look over the cases to see if we have invalidated any with our recent decisions Michael: any such cases are either 'on hold' or should be removed test case 0019 @about for subject -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0019 test 19 proposed to accept 19 resolved to accept 19 test case 0020 Inheriting @about for subject -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0020 test 20 Michael: two nested spans resolved to accept 20 test case 0021 Subject inheritance with no @about -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0021 test 21 Michael: the semantics now look strange to me Ben: looks good to me; creator is specified in the correct direction resolved to accept 21 test case 0022 meta with parent @id -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0022 test 22 Ben: given that we're not including META in body in XHTML 1, we should reject this test resolved to reject 22 test case 0023 Ignore @id in non-parent ancestor -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0023 test 23 Michael: this test now tests another useful feature ... we could rename it to 'test that @id does not generate subjects' Ben: yes, this recent decision does require some implementation changes. I have code for those edge cases, though we've not seen those edge cases in practice resolved to accept 23 with a renaming <benadida> <div id="photo1"> <span class="attribution-line">this photo was taken by <span property="dc:creator">Mark Birbeck</span> </span> </div> Ben: formerly this test demonstrated that 'photo1' was not inherited. Now the same test shows that @id never triggers a triple test case 0024 Ignore @id for non-meta and non-link Michael: this test should be rejected as redundant Ben: yes, effectively merged with test 23 resolved to merge 24 into 23 Michael: I'd prefer to just reject rather than merge resolved to drop 24; it does not test anything new test case 0025 @id for object -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0025 test 25 <benadida> <span rel="dc:creator" id="me"> <span property="foaf:name">Ben Adida</span>, <a rel="foaf:mbox" href="mailto:ben@adida.net">ben@adida.net</a>. </span> <benadida> <span rel="dc:creator" id="me"> Ben: this test is "interestingly" controversial <benadida> <> dc:creator <#me> . Ben: I interpreted this as creating striping (or 'chaining' as Mark has called it) ... that's what test 25 was meant to test ... one of our non-binding resolutions from last week was to not consider @id ... so with that in mind, we should reject this test <mhausenblas> Glossary in -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/ Michael: I'm trying to put together a glossary in the umbrella document <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/ Michael: I found the striping idea very confusing ... I recommend that the term 'striping' be better-defined or changed to 'chaining' Ben: I'm happy to change the word to 'chaining' instead ... test 25 was my old idea of how the markup should work, now we're using @href instead Michael: rather than drop the test, let's rewrite it to use @href Shane: this is a pretty arcane level of RDF Ben: last week's discussion was about the use of @id to do chaining. Mark was opposed to that Shane: I don't much care about this notion of chaining Ben: the intent is to be able to describe intermediate resources Shane: that description makes a lot more sense Ben: the concept of 'chaining' is about defining an intermediate resource ... e.g. a music album with a musician who has a name ... the question is what XML attribute triggers this object/subject switch ... so test 25 should confirm our decision on which attribute (now @resource) triggers the object/subject switch ... foaf:mbox could be dropped from this test to simplify it as a chaining test ... the foaf:mbox adds a second level of chaining <mhausenblas> This paper was written by <mhausenblas> <span rel="dc:creator" resource="#me"> <mhausenblas> <span property="foaf:name">Ben Adida</span>. <mhausenblas> </span> Ben: yes, that's the simple example resolved to accept test 25, rewritten, and renamed to 'simple chaining example' <benadida> <span rel="dc:creator"> Ben: add ^ to the test for a slightly bigger example Michael: I'd rather create a new, separate test -- call it test 33 Ben: 33 should use @rel without @resource <mhausenblas> ... and producing the same SPARQL ask as TC25 <mhausenblas> ... with a bNode instead of #me <Simone> Simone: phone is bad :( so TC are ok for me test case 0026 @content -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0026 test 26 Michael: but the span has no content Ben: so it's a empty literal <benadida> <span about="http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/" property="dc:creator" content="Mark Birbeck"> </span> <mhausenblas> <span about="http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/" property="dc:creator" content="Mark Birbeck" /> Michael: from an XML viewpoint, 26 and 27 as written are not very different Ben: right, we're not testing XML here. It would be OK to change 26 to be a self-closed element Shane: I think they're both interesting test cases; they'd really test the DOM parser ... but I don't think self-closing SPANs work, say, in Internet Explorer Ben: 26 is worthwhile as a self-closed element and if IE has trouble, that's good to know resolved to accept 26, re-written as a self-closed element <scribe> ACTION: Michael test how <SPAN /> behaves in Internet Explorer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] Ben: test 27 is the same as 26 but has content in the span resolved to accept 27 test case 0028 @xml:lang and @datatype -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0028 test 28 Ben: this tests the affect of xml:lang on the triple ... test 28 looks OK to me <benadida> ACTION: Ben to work through xml:lang issue with Ivan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] <mhausenblas> Ben: I need to followup with Ivan on the behavior of xml:lang Michael: I think Karl's message 0198 may resolve this Ben: ok, but I want the Task Force to review it <benadida> ACTION: Michael to email individual emails to resolve TCs 29-33 (TC 28 to be resolved post xml:lang discussion) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] <scribe> scribenick: mhausenblas Documents Ben: We agreed last time to use XHTML XXX Shane: Currently no contact to Steven ... he has the edit token [Steven is on holiday] Ben: We have an array of changes (chaining, no @id, etc.) Ralph: He did no significant changes; should be back on 13 Aug ... Does Steven work offline? <benadida> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/syntax/ Shane: Give me a correct version, I'll take care for the conversion ... may take me some couple of an hour Ben: Not time-frozen version, but the actual one -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/syntax/Overview.xml Ben: Pls keep me in the loop ... as Mark and Steven are on holiday ... we might need a separate chat <RalphS> Shane: the XHTML2 WG has a separate content management system not on w3.org Shane: There is a separate access control/system we work on <RalphS> Ralph: that's too bad, but if the work is getting done then ok Ben: Have to look at the Primer ... and update it according to the newest development Implementations <RalphS> Shane: the intention is still to keep the syntax document as a stand-alone document -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations <benadida> ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] <ShaneM> question: does syntax document become rec-track? I can't remember <ShaneM> Ben says yes. <ShaneM> Note that there is already a separate xhtml-rdfa document that does a similar thing, but without all the syntax parsing rules. Ralph: TomB had the question regarding reck-track <Simone> Simone: I'm testing Js implementation and works great, for XSL implementation I've load a parser with Fabien's XSL but my Sablotron has problem, so also Monkey RDFa (a PHP parser with n3 output) works good <Simone> Simone: So on W3C XSL servlet is ok, we may ask to get an RDFa extractor service? <RalphS> Michael: will we ever declare the test cases frozen? <RalphS> Ralph: as we're not doing conformance test, I suggest we leave ourselves the option to add a test whenever we reach a decision about an open question <RalphS> Ben: it would be nice to be able to add a test without having to take [the test case] document back to Last Call <RalphS> ... for now, it's good that our strategy be to act as if the test cases were Rec Track <RalphS> Ben: I'll be running in-between meetings next week, may have difficulty making a call Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Ben to work through xml:lang issue with Ivan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Michael test how <SPAN /> behaves in Internet Explorer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Michael to email individual emails to resolve TCs 29-33 (TC 28 to be resolved post xml:lang discussion) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to sum up @href/@resource everywhere proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] ACTION: Ben writeup a summary of this discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [POSTPONED] ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content after October [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [End of minutes] ---------------------------------------------------------- Michael Hausenblas, MSc. 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