- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:17:11 -0400
- To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org
The [1]record of today's RDF in XHTML Task Force telecon is now available
for review.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html
A text snapshot of revision 1.3 of 2005/10/18 15:07:46 follows:
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SWBPD RDF-in-XHTML TF
18 Oct 2005
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0024.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Ralph Swick, Steven Pemberton, Ben Adida, Jeremy Carroll
Regrets
Mark Birbeck
Chair
Ben
Scribe
Ralph
Previous
[4]2005-10-11
[4] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-swbp-minutes
Contents
* Topics
1. CURI proposal
2. Role attribute
* Summary of Action Items
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CURI proposal
Ralph: I'm getting skepticism from the Team but I need to respond to
the messages and explain that yes, we've considered all of the
alternatives that people have mentioned
Ben: we may not be able to reach a consensus here before the WG F2F
Ralph I would prefer if we had a more definitive proposal in time for
the F2F
Jeremy: I told my HP colleagues that Mark's CURI proposal addresses
both the qname and the bnode issues
... and it's the least ugly of the alternatives we have considered
... I don't think any of the possibilities are really attractive
Ben: the ugliness only occurs when you actually use bnodes or qnames
in an href
... i.e. only when you're trying to squeeze [octets] or using more
complex RDF
Jeremy: some people point out that additional attributes have that
same characteristic; you only see the comnplication when you need to
use it
... but that feels to me like a larger learning curve
Ralph: I agree; learning more attributes seems more complicated than
learning a square-bracket syntax
ACTION: Ben put notes in the Web from Boston discussion with Mark
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
Ben: some progress; see [10]RDF in XHTML Taskforce - RDF/A Examples
... haven't finished all the examples yet
... by next week we hope to have some version of RDF/A spec based on
these notes and on a CURI resolution
... let's work on 2 documents; (1) a primer on how to add metadata to
an HTML document and (2) a formal specification of RDF/A
[10] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa
Ralph: I'd give priority to the formal specification of RDF/A as
that's what Jeremy needs to show implementability and what I think the
WG will need for the f2f
Jeremy: agree, but the primer will also be useful at the F2F so we
should get some words in there also
... my priority for the WG is to get a new version of the XML Schema
Datatypes document out, so this TF comes second in priority
ACTION: Ben summarize the question of semantics of the HTML role
attribute and solicit feedback from RDF experts
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE]
-> [12]Question from the RDF-in-XHTML task force on the HTML Role
Attribute [Ben 2005-10-17]
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2005Oct/0161.html
([13]CC'd to public-rdf-in-xhtml task)
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0019.html
Ben: I hope to have a document for review over the weekend
... so we can discuss reviews at next Tuesday's telecon
... will coordinate with Mark on this
Ben: anything shocking yet in this [14]RDF/A examples draft?
[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa
Steven: no
Ben: in the "[15]Metadata About Other Documents" example, we don't
have a way to say "here's an image" and "here's some metadata about
that image" without repeating the URI
... do we want to consider this case?
[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa#other
Jeremy: could we consider using href?
ACTION: Ben add repeating URI in IMG case to issues list
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
Steven: IMG is no longer empty in XHTML2
... the content replaces the ALT attribute; it's fallback if the image
is not available
Ralph: I'm ok with adding this as an issue but one alternative is to
repeat the URIs -- i.e. I'm not persuaded yet that this is a problem
that we need to solve
<Steven> <img src="photo2.jpg" href="photo2.jpg" rev="dc:author"
content="Steven Pemberton" />
<Steven> No, that doesn't work... rev doesn't take content="..."
<Steven> <img src="photo2.jpg" about="photo2.jpg" rel="dc:author"
content="Steven Pemberton" />
Ben: I expect that this [17]2005-rdfa draft will evolve to become part
of the primer
[17] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa
ACTION: Mark write CURI specification by 10 Oct
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[Mark: in [19]mail ] "I will have the CURIE note available in the
next couple of days,"
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0031.html
Role attribute
Ben: Ivan Herman suggests we're trying to do to much in [20]his
response to the role question
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0030.html
Steven: I don't agree with Ivan; if we can find a way to use it this
will be an expressive addition
Steven: I had some trouble understanding the distinction Geoff
Chappell is making in
[21]his reply on the role question
... need to think about this more
... regrets for next Tuesday's telecon
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0028.html
ACTION: Steven track and report on Role discussion before next Tuesday
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
ACTION: Ralph and Ben to augment the issues list
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-swbp-irc#T14-30-04]
[CONTINUES]
Ben: our goal should be to have a document that Jeremy can use to test
implementation before the f2f
ACTION: Mark and Ben to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben add repeating URI in IMG case to issues list
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven track and report on Role discussion before next
Tuesday
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben put notes in the Web from Boston discussion with
Mark [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark and Ben to check edge cases of inheritance in
RDF/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write CURI specification by 10 Oct
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph and Ben to augment the issues list
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-swbp-irc#T14-30-04]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben summarize the question of semantics of the HTML
role attribute and solicit feedback from RDF experts
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
Change Log:
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