- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:17:11 -0400
- To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org
The [1]record of today's RDF in XHTML Task Force telecon is now available for review. [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html A text snapshot of revision 1.3 of 2005/10/18 15:07:46 follows: ---- SWBPD RDF-in-XHTML TF 18 Oct 2005 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0024.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-irc Attendees Present Ralph Swick, Steven Pemberton, Ben Adida, Jeremy Carroll Regrets Mark Birbeck Chair Ben Scribe Ralph Previous [4]2005-10-11 [4] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-swbp-minutes Contents * Topics 1. CURI proposal 2. Role attribute * Summary of Action Items _____________________________________________________________ CURI proposal Ralph: I'm getting skepticism from the Team but I need to respond to the messages and explain that yes, we've considered all of the alternatives that people have mentioned Ben: we may not be able to reach a consensus here before the WG F2F Ralph I would prefer if we had a more definitive proposal in time for the F2F Jeremy: I told my HP colleagues that Mark's CURI proposal addresses both the qname and the bnode issues ... and it's the least ugly of the alternatives we have considered ... I don't think any of the possibilities are really attractive Ben: the ugliness only occurs when you actually use bnodes or qnames in an href ... i.e. only when you're trying to squeeze [octets] or using more complex RDF Jeremy: some people point out that additional attributes have that same characteristic; you only see the comnplication when you need to use it ... but that feels to me like a larger learning curve Ralph: I agree; learning more attributes seems more complicated than learning a square-bracket syntax ACTION: Ben put notes in the Web from Boston discussion with Mark [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES] Ben: some progress; see [10]RDF in XHTML Taskforce - RDF/A Examples ... haven't finished all the examples yet ... by next week we hope to have some version of RDF/A spec based on these notes and on a CURI resolution ... let's work on 2 documents; (1) a primer on how to add metadata to an HTML document and (2) a formal specification of RDF/A [10] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa Ralph: I'd give priority to the formal specification of RDF/A as that's what Jeremy needs to show implementability and what I think the WG will need for the f2f Jeremy: agree, but the primer will also be useful at the F2F so we should get some words in there also ... my priority for the WG is to get a new version of the XML Schema Datatypes document out, so this TF comes second in priority ACTION: Ben summarize the question of semantics of the HTML role attribute and solicit feedback from RDF experts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] -> [12]Question from the RDF-in-XHTML task force on the HTML Role Attribute [Ben 2005-10-17] [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2005Oct/0161.html ([13]CC'd to public-rdf-in-xhtml task) [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0019.html Ben: I hope to have a document for review over the weekend ... so we can discuss reviews at next Tuesday's telecon ... will coordinate with Mark on this Ben: anything shocking yet in this [14]RDF/A examples draft? [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa Steven: no Ben: in the "[15]Metadata About Other Documents" example, we don't have a way to say "here's an image" and "here's some metadata about that image" without repeating the URI ... do we want to consider this case? [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa#other Jeremy: could we consider using href? ACTION: Ben add repeating URI in IMG case to issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action03] Steven: IMG is no longer empty in XHTML2 ... the content replaces the ALT attribute; it's fallback if the image is not available Ralph: I'm ok with adding this as an issue but one alternative is to repeat the URIs -- i.e. I'm not persuaded yet that this is a problem that we need to solve <Steven> <img src="photo2.jpg" href="photo2.jpg" rev="dc:author" content="Steven Pemberton" /> <Steven> No, that doesn't work... rev doesn't take content="..." <Steven> <img src="photo2.jpg" about="photo2.jpg" rel="dc:author" content="Steven Pemberton" /> Ben: I expect that this [17]2005-rdfa draft will evolve to become part of the primer [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa ACTION: Mark write CURI specification by 10 Oct [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES] [Mark: in [19]mail ] "I will have the CURIE note available in the next couple of days," [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0031.html Role attribute Ben: Ivan Herman suggests we're trying to do to much in [20]his response to the role question [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0030.html Steven: I don't agree with Ivan; if we can find a way to use it this will be an expressive addition Steven: I had some trouble understanding the distinction Geoff Chappell is making in [21]his reply on the role question ... need to think about this more ... regrets for next Tuesday's telecon [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Oct/0028.html ACTION: Steven track and report on Role discussion before next Tuesday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action05] ACTION: Ralph and Ben to augment the issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-swbp-irc#T14-30-04] [CONTINUES] Ben: our goal should be to have a document that Jeremy can use to test implementation before the f2f ACTION: Mark and Ben to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES] [adjourned] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Ben add repeating URI in IMG case to issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Steven track and report on Role discussion before next Tuesday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/18-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben put notes in the Web from Boston discussion with Mark [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Mark and Ben to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write CURI specification by 10 Oct [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph and Ben to augment the issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-swbp-irc#T14-30-04] [DONE] ACTION: Ben summarize the question of semantics of the HTML role attribute and solicit feedback from RDF experts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/04-swbp-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] Change Log: $Log: 18-swbp-minutes.html,v $ Revision 1.3 2005/10/18 15:07:46 swick Remove some gratuitous in-your-face URIs Revision 1.2 2005/10/18 14:58:19 swick Cleanup for publication _____________________________________________________________ $Date: 2005/10/18 15:07:46 $
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