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Re: Scenario: Trackbacks

From: Masayasu Ishikawa <mimasa@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:02:10 +0900 (JST)
Message-Id: <20030611.190210.85408374.mimasa@w3.org>
To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org

> Joseph Reagle wrote:
> > [As a preliminary aside, I note that this page:
> > http://philringnalda.com/blog/2002/06/a_pox_on_validations_house.php
> > which talks about the problem of RDF in XHTML for trackbacks -- and
> > includes embedded RDF (html/body/div/RDF) -- is said to be valid?!
> > How can that be?

"Phil Ringnalda" <phil@philringnalda.com> wrote:
> [ [Doubly aside: I'm not ever going to live down that ill-considered,
> accidently-published rant, am I?]  Not only is
> http://philringnalda.com/blog/2002/08/trackback_and_validation_summary.php a
> better intro to TrackBack and validation, since my blood pressure was down,
> it's also the genesis of how my site is "valid" with embedded RDF: I cloak.
> If the User Agent is one of the validators, I don't include the RDF. It's
> cheating, but it feels better than hiding it in comments, where XML parsers
> are allowed to discard it before it ever has a chance to see an RDF parser.]

[ Triply aside: It's odd that the W3C Markup Validator says the above
  document is valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional when it's actually not even
  well-formed ... ]

> > o validation XHTML: it'd be good if the host page is validatable XHTML.
> At least from TrackBack's side of the fence, that's not a "good", it's a
> MUST. That was the impetus for the mad flapping around looking for a way to
> make it validatable last summer: for good or ill, there are enough
> influential webloggers who won't do anything if involves invalidating their
> XHTML that TrackBack probably would have flopped without the evil
> inspiration to comment it out until something better came along.

I'd like to see more sample instances together with scenarios so that
I can test.  Depends on what level of validation you want, I have
several schemata to validate XHTML part without bothering foreign
namespaces.  We need to clarify what kind of validity we are talking
here, though.

Masayasu Ishikawa / mimasa@w3.org
W3C - World Wide Web Consortium
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