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<LeeF> minutes from last week
<LeeF> minutes approved
Meet next week: 25 September
Regrets in advance: Orri and Ivan
LeeF: please track DAWG as we
will attempt to plan to move to PR.
... next week
Orri: diffs of rq25 are OK
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to have first cut of shiny implementation report by 11 Sep [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
<LeeF> ACTION: Orri and Ivan to publish URL to test service along with a list of tests that aren't handled correctly yet [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
<LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to try SOAP protocol tests against Joseki and Virtuoso [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<LeeF> endpoints
<iv_an_ru> I'm releasing next version of the test suite today.
<LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to try SOAP protocol tests against Joseki and Virtuoso endpoints [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
<LeeF> action -3
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to update open-world manifest with mf:requires for open-eq-12 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to update Turtle data to have explicit lexical forms and answer Gregory W's mail [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
and Andy checked the changes
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
LeeF: when we advance, should we prompt IETF harder?
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to put together CR transition request for SPARQL XML format and ericP to publish [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
EricP: it should just happen
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
<LeeF> ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
<LeeF> """
<LeeF> The EBV of any literal whose type is xsd:boolean, xsd:string or numeric is false if the lexical form is not valid for that datatype (e.g. "abc"^^xsd:integer).
<LeeF> """
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to try to produce a diff from CR to current editor's draft [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
<LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-
<LeeF> dawg-comments/2005Jun/0028.html
<LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jun/0028.html original comment that prompted <link> element
LeeF: History of link element and summary of discussions with Alan
Alan proposes inline metadata to avoid server state.
scribe: comment is very late in
process.
... would cost another cycle (at least one month).
LeeF asks for WG support ... none forthcoming.
<scribe> ACTION: LeeF: Reply to Alan's comment on metadata in SPARQL XML Results format [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action15]
EricP: notes binding of, e.g.
SOAP, has features.
... to support state
LeeF: status: waiting for W3C approval on process
<Zakim> ericP, you wanted to note a potential fix to [[• The EBV of any literal whose type is xsd:boolean, xsd:string or numeric is false if the lexical form is not valid for that
<LeeF> EBV text (only defined for strings, booleans, numerics)
<LeeF> "Effective boolean value arguments (labeled "xsd:boolean (EBV)" in the operator mapping table below), are coerced to xsd:boolean using the EBV rules in section 11.2.2 ."
Chair has feedback from implementers about existing HTTP bindings
scribe: Elias will have the protocol tests running
<LeeF> about SOAP versions
AndyS: Virtuoso have offered to back port to SOAP 1.1
<LeeF> beginning documentation of mf:requires
<SteveH> there's a lot of background noise here, sorry
Change to use mf:XsdDateOperation
mf: IllFormedLiterals -- actually used for tricky bits, not extension
<LeeF> mf:trickyBitOfSparql ?
<LeeF> mf:notewell ?
<iv_an_ru> mf:mayAccessAndReturnUnexpectedDataFromGraphsNotListedInManifest ? :)
<scribe> ACTION: AndyS: Invent and document an alternative to mf:requires for things that are noteable but not extensions in the test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
<LeeF> mf:LangCaseInsensitivity can be struck
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to check and annotate open-eq-07 and -10 with mf:LangTagAwareness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action17]
<LeeF> strike mf:xsd-date-eq-xsd-dateTime
<scribe> ACTION: AndyS: Update vocabulary files and README for test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action18]
<scribe> ACTION: AndyS: Update manifest for mf:requires [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action19]
<LeeF> first draft of implementation report
LeeF: more results expected
<ericP> the SPARQL queries (and surrounding script) for generating the impl report
EricP: A test passes if ...
... no tests => green box
EricP: for any facet, there are certain tests associated with it
<LeeF> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action20]
EricP: if two facets on a test,
test processor calculates the best match as to which facet is
the fail
... (e.g. already failed elsewhere for one facet => don't
mark a failure for other facet)
LeeF suggests seeking wisdom in reporting coverage
Steve: can pass some facets without any implementation
<LeeF> No matter what, I intend to publish _all_ of the data we have
exit criteria for CR
<LeeF> "A test suite gives reasonable coverage of the features of the query language."
<LeeF> "Each identified SPARQL feature has at least two implementations."
<LeeF> "Relevant media types are registered:"
<LeeF> "Normative dependencies have been advanced to Proposed Recommendation status:"
Our normative dependences are already at REC (Xquery, F&O)
Need to decide on "at risk" features: REDUCED, leading numbers in local part of prefixed names
<LeeF> also: what to do with syntax tests?
<LeeF> SteveH, do you implement REDUCED?
<SteveH> yes
<LeeF> thx
<iv_an_ru> I'm implementing REDUCED before Friday, BTW.
<LeeF> :-)
Leef: Does anyone want to propose removing REDUCED?
No such proposals made.
<SteveH> REDUCED is a big optimisation win for me in certain circumstances
<iv_an_ru> I've found REDUCED very useful for at least one optimization.
<LeeF> Great, good feedback to have.
<SteveH> but maybe if I had a streaming DISTINCT impl. it wouldn't be so useful
There is no "REDUCED" in the test suite.
<iv_an_ru> REDUCED is especially useful when there's a join between union that is faster when UNION and union that is faster when it's UNION ALL.
LeeF: Leading digits.
Several implemenations support it
LeeF: asks for proposals NOT to
keep this feature. No such proposals.
... needs to get into interop report.
Eric: Min is 4 week in PR.
<LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to investigate PR mechanics, put together draft transition request [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html#action21]
Ivan: Mitko has deployed a SOAP 1.1 endpoint
Souri: working to export RDF_MATCH to SPARQL query engine.
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