- From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 03:05:37 -0400
- To: Howard Katz <howardk@fatdog.com>
- Cc: RDF Data Access Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <20050421070536.GB18713@w3.org>
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 08:05:25PM -0700, Howard Katz wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Prud'hommeaux [mailto:eric@w3.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:01 PM > > To: Howard Katz > > Cc: RDF Data Access Working Group > > Subject: Re: XQuery value comparisons (Part I - numerics) > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 07:57:40PM -0700, Howard Katz wrote: > > > > > > I have less time available for this than I'd hoped, so I'm > > going to present > > > an extremely pithy look at what I consider the bare, bare essentials of > > > XQuery-based comparison semantics and not do a full, feature-by-feature > > > comparison against what we're doing in sparql, except in a few > > instances. > > > I'm also going to call this Part I and only look at numerics. > > Part II (if I > > > can find the time to do it, and there's interest) will look at strings, > > > dates, times, and the other remaining XML Schema built-in datatypes. > > > > > > I'd be grateful for (gentle!) feedback if anyone finds I've made any > > > egregious errors in the following. 95% of readers find the following > > > information correct 95% of the time. :-) > > > > > > Howard > > > > > > Value vs. General Comparisons > > > ------------------------------------ > > > XQuery has both value (eg, ne, gt, lt, ge, le) comparisons [1] > > and general > > > (=, !=, >, <, >=, <=) comparisons [2]. Value comparisons are used for > > > comparing singletons; general comparisons have their raison > > d'etre in the > > > requirements of XPath and are for comparing sequences. > > > > Is that their only use? I've unwittingly focused on value comparisons. > > I'd like to hear that general comparisons apply to us. If they are > > only needed for sequence comparison, then I am happy to carry on with > > my myopic examination of value comparison. > > Their other use, as already described elsewhere, is to provide a greater > possibility of a successful comparison. They're less rigorous in what they > reject. I believe this originated in XPath 1, tho I'm not sure of the exact > rationale. It's kind of like designing browsers not to fail on crufty (sp?) > html. OK. This makes me much more sure that we want to steer clear of general comparison. > > > > > Since > > sparql doesn't > > > have sequences, > > > > http://unagi/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#StandardOperations > > [[ > > Unlike XPath/XQuery, SPARQL functions do not process node > > sequences. When interpreting the semantics of XPath functions, assume > > that each argument is a sequence of a single node. > > ]] > > > > > and general comparisons generally devolve into > > item-by-item > > > comparisons using value semantics anyway (with a few > > exceptions I won't go > > > into at the moment), I'm only going to look at value > > comparisons here. (I > > > might look at general comparisons in Part II if there seems to be an > > > interest; I haven't decided yet whether there is or isn't > > something useful > > > to be learned from that topic.) > > > > > > I'll note that while sparql appears to be using value comparisons (ie, > > > singletons only), it uses the operator symbol set from general > > comparisons. > > > I think it's arguable whether this is good, bad, or indifferent; if we > > > wanted to be precise, we should probably be using the value-comparisons > > > symbol set , but since those symbols seem to be fortran-based and thus > > > likely to be viewed as a wondrous cosmological mystery by > > anybody under the > > > age of 50 or so, :-) I see no problem with using the more > > familiar (=, !=, > > > > ha! > > > > > >, <, >=, <=) symbols. In the following where I'm talking about value > > > comparisons specifically, I'll use the proper value-comparison > > operators > > > from XQuery so as to (hopefully!) not further confuse the issue. > > > > > > Atomization > > > -------------- > > > The first step in doing a comparison is atomization, in which > > each operand > > > is reduced to a sequence of atomic values and types. In value > > comparisons, > > > the atomized operands must be either singleton atomic values > > or the empty > > > (null) sequence. Atomizing the literal "2" results in a single > > value "2" of > > > type string. Atomizing an element <e>2</e> without an > > accompanying schema > > > results in a value "2" of type xdt:untypedAtomic. If something > > ends up as > > > xdt:untypedAtomic, it is treated as a string (value > > comparisons do things > > > slightly differently). > > > > > > After atomization: > > > > > > o If either operand is null, a null is returned. > > > o If the cardinality of either operand is > 1, a type error is thrown. > > > o Otherwise an xs:boolean result is returned, showing the > > results of the > > > comparison. > > > > > > Once the operands have been atomized, the proper comparison > > function from > > > the Binary Operator table in the Working Draft [3] needs to be > > identified > > > for the two operands. Comparison functions operate on > > "similar" types; if > > > the types of the operands are too dissimilar, a type error is > > thrown. What > > > do I mean by "similar" and "dissimilar" (my own terminology; > > not part of the > > > formal specification)? Similarity means that both operands > > must be of the > > > same type to begin with or can be converted to be of the same > > type through > > > either type promotion [4] or subtype substitution [5] (see below). > > > > > > First, here's a counter-example: strings and any form of numeric are > > > dissimilar. The query: > > > > > > 1 lt "2" => Saxon: "ERROR XPTY0004: Cannot compare > > xs:integer to > > > xs:string" > > > > > > throws a type error because strings can't be compared to numerics. > > > > > > Numeric comparisons > > > ------------------------- > > > On the other hand, > > > > > > 1 lt 2.0 => false > > > > false? really? NTP didn't move the args into a domain where 1 < 2 ? > > > > > compares a numeric (xs:integer) against a numeric (xs:decimal) > > using the > > > numeric comparison function, op:numeric-less-than( a, b ). > > > > > > Numeric comparisons allow the greatest degree of operand dissimilarity, > > > since there are actually sixteen numeric subtypes in the XML > > Schema built-in > > > datatypes hierarchy [6] that can be passed in as arguments to numeric > > > functions such as op:numeric-less-than() above. > > > > > > There are actually four sub-varieties of numeric functions per each op: > > > function: one version to handle floats, one to handle doubles, > > one to handle > > > decimals, and one to handle integers. If other datatypes are > > to be compared, > > > they need to be converted to one of these four types first. > > The algorithm > > > for doing the conversion can be presented as a multiway "if" statement. > > > Assuming that both operands are numeric: > > > > > > if either of the two operands is of type float > > > convert the other to float and call the appropriate > > compare-floats() > > > function > > > else if either of the operands is of type double > > > convert the other to double and call the appropriate > > > compare-doubles() function > > > else if either of the operands is of type decimal > > > convert the other to decimal and call the appropriate > > > compare-decimals() function > > > else > > > convert both to integer (if necessary) and call the appropriate > > > compare-integers() function > > > > > > In the case of > > > > > > 1 lt 2.0 > > > > > > for example (xs:integer vs xs:decimal), the compare-decimals() > > version of > > > op:numeric-less-than() ends up getting called. > > > > > > Type Promotion > > > -------------------- > > > The word "converts" in the algorithm refers to both the > > mechanisms of type > > > promotion [4] and subtype substitution [5], depending on what > > the source and > > > target numeric types are. If a double is being converted to a > > float, for > > > example, type promotion is used. Decimals (or any type derived > > from decimal) > > > can also be promoted to either double or float. (I find the > > term "promotion" > > > here a bit misleading when talking about doubles and floats, > > since to me > > > promotion seems to imply movement or casting "up" a type > > hierarchy. Floats > > > and doubles however are at the same level in the XML Schema > > built-in type > > > hierarchy [6], and neither is superior or subordinate to the > > other in terms > > > of derivation.) > > > > I assumed the justification had to do with binary representations and > > that decimals (whatever they are) could be respresented as (fit in) > > floats and floats could fit in doubles. This rationale suggests that > > the least constrained subtype of decimal fits in a float, which I > > don't know to be true. > > I believe what you're saying is correct. I don't believe I'm saying that's > not the case. (If you believe me. :-) > > > > > > There's a second variety of type promotion in XQuery where any > > value of type > > > xs:anyURI can be promoted to string, so that any operator that compares > > > strings can take an xs:anyURI type of argument. > > > > I had something analogous: > > [[ > > For functions and operators where the expected type is specified as > > numeric, untyped literals are cast to xs:double. > > ]] > > but commented it out. In fact, I think it my implementation > > automatically casts them to string when needed. Thus, the above line > > should go back in, but s/xs:double/xs:string/ . > > > > > Subtype Substitution > > > ------------------------- > > > Subtype substitution results when a subtype is used where its > > supertype is > > > required. In the last branch of the above "if" statement, any > > numeric type > > > that's subordinate to xs:decimal can be used as an argument to the > > > appropriate compare-decimals() function, and anything subordinate to > > > xs:integer can be used as an argument to compare-integers(). > > For example, in > > > the comparison > > > > > > xs:nonPositiveInteger( -1 ) < xs:nonNegativeInteger( 1 ) > > > > > > both operands are passed into the compare-integers() version of > > > op:op:numeric-less-than() and compared as integers without casting. > > > xs:integer is the lowest common type that superordinate to both > > > nonPositiveInteger and nonNegativeInteger. > > > > A difference I recall about NTP vs. subtype promotion is that NTP > > actually changes the type of the argument rather than harmlessly > > upcasting it to pass it as it to a function. The related spec text*: > > NTP? I don't know if it's relevant, but much is made in the XQuery text > about subtype substitution *not* actually changing the type of the converted > operand. I've never been sure exactly why that fact was being emphasized. Per http://unagi/TR/2005/WD-xquery-20050404/#N165E1 I think the distinction occurs when you declare a function that takes a float declare namespace test = "http://foo.example/" define function test:imafloat($num as xs:float) as xs:boolean { return $num instance of xs:decimal } will see the argument as a float in the function regardless of its lineage. test:imafloat(xs:decimal(5)) => false Conversely, subtype substitutions retain their origonal type: define function test:imapostitiveInteger($num as xs:integer) as xs:postitiveInteger { return $num instance of xs:postitiveInteger } test:imapostitiveInteger(xs:postitiveInteger("true")) => true Having framed this, does XQuery-instance-of pay attention to the type tree? I.E., does xs:postitiveInteger("true") instance of xs:integer return true or false? > > [[ > > XML Schema [] defines a set of types derived from decimal: integer; > > nonPositiveInteger; negativeInteger; long; int; short; byte; > > nonNegativeInteger; unsignedLong; unsignedInt; unsignedShort; > > unsignedByte and positiveInteger. These are all treated as decimals > > for arithmetic operations. SPARQL does not specifically require > > integrity checks on derived subtypes. SPARQL has no numeric type test > > operators so the distinction between a primitive type and a type > > derived from that primitive type is unobservable. > > ]] > > * just fixed 30s ago. > > > > > Depending on the types of the operands, several conversions > > might be done > > > internally to bring both operands to a common (or similar) type. For > > > example, > > > > > > xs:double( 3.14159e0 ) lt xs:short( 4 ) => true > > > > > > first up-converts the xs:short to xs:decimal using subtype > > subsitution, and > > > then type-promotes the xs:decimal to xs:double, so that the > > > compare-doubles() version of op:numeric-less-than() can be used. The > > > implementation needn't go through all the intermediate stages > > if it can be > > > done more directly (I believe). > > > > > > That's it for the moment ... > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > --- > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#id-value-comparisons > > > [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#id-general-comparisons > > > [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#mapping > > > [4] http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-type-promotion > > > [5] http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#dt-subtype-substitution > > > [6] http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#built-in-datatypes > > > > > > > > > > > > office: +81.466.49.1170 W3C, Keio Research Institute at SFC, > > Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Keio University, > > 5322 Endo, Fujisawa, Kanagawa 252-8520 > > JAPAN > > +1.617.258.5741 NE43-344, MIT, Cambridge, MA 02144 USA > > cell: +81.90.6533.3882 > > > > (eric@w3.org) > > Feel free to forward this message to any list for any purpose other than > > email address distribution. > > > > -- -eric office: +81.466.49.1170 W3C, Keio Research Institute at SFC, Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Keio University, 5322 Endo, Fujisawa, Kanagawa 252-8520 JAPAN +1.617.258.5741 NE43-344, MIT, Cambridge, MA 02144 USA cell: +81.90.6533.3882 (eric@w3.org) Feel free to forward this message to any list for any purpose other than email address distribution.
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