Minutes of RDF DAWG telcon 2004-04-08 for review

Minutes of RDF DAWG telcon 2004-04-08 for review

RDF Data Access WG telcon
2004-04-08 15:30 UTC


IRC chat notes

1. convene, take roll, review record, agenda

Present: Howard Katz, Jean-FranÁois Baget, Dan Connolly (chair), Dave
	 Beckett, Rob Shearer, Kendall Clark, Kevin Wilkinson, Eric
	 Prud'hommeaux (scribe), Alberto Reggiori, Bryan Thompson,
	 Dirk Colaert, Patrick Stickler, Jos De Roo, Pat Hayes

Regrets: Andy Seaborne, Daniel Krech, Janne Saarela

Next meeting 2004-04-15 15:30 UTC  scribe: Jean-FranÁcois

Minutes of RDF DAWG telcon 2004-04-01
as ammended by RobS
ACCEPTED as a true record of our previous meeting, 1 Apr.

DONE: EricP: work with DanC on an initial DAWG issues list.
  See http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues

2. Amsterdam meeting agenda [1]
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf1

DanC pointed out that according to W3C process, the working group owes
a publication in May. He presented the agenda [1] and polled interest
in a survey presentation, lightening talks, or required reading. Each
member stated talks and required reading in which they had interest.
DanC polled interest in each mentioned item:

lightening talks:
  Howard on XQuery contributions: 6
  Kendall on Versa: 3
  Alberto on RDQL impl experience: 3
  Kendall (remote talk) on XPointer: 5
  DanC on webarch: 5
  (Alberto or DaveB) on RDQL: 5
  Pat (remote talk) on DQL (at risk): 5
  query survey: 0
  Rob on Network Inference experience with xquery for RDF: 6

readking list:
  RDQL: 6-7
  Joeseki protocol: 6
  turtle: 6
  nriples: 6
  n3 primer: 5 (patrick notes this could be required for turtle)
  query survey: 5-6 (1 tacit from busy scribe)

Meeting agenda to be fixed by 

RESOLVED: meeting agenda to be fixed and mailed by
  2004-04-12 18:00 CDT
  2004-04-13 00:00 UTC

Howard asked if selecting a strawman was on the agenda. Dan said that
it felt premature.

3. Use cases and Requirements document [2]
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/UseCases

[The scribe doesn't believe this was discussed -- leaving for later review] 
ACTION EricP: Send mail to public-rdf-dawg about
  http://www.w3.org/2001/11/13-RDF-Query-Rules/ proposing how it
  could be used as an abstract syntax to describe requirements.
[possibly met by
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0071 ]

DONE EricP and KendallC: Update the use cases document with the
candidate requirements in the minutes of 2004-04-01. See [2].

Kendall noted that a (no longer labeled) use case was redundant. No
attentive parties saw them as distinct. Kendall updated UseCases.
Kendall use best guess and discretion for admiting use cases. Sponsors
of particular use cases are encouraged to send mail to him and optionally

RESOLVED: deadline for use case document is
  2004-04-15 18:00 EDT
  2004-04-15 23:00 UTC

4. Is XQuery part of charter?

  "The working group should specify at least one mechanism for
   exposing RDF query facilities in an XQuery environment"

DanC noted that while charter discussion is out of scope, it helps to
let the group know why requirements are there. RobS testified from
implementation experience that extending XQuery to do RDF Query was
doable. XQuery was well designed and reinvention would be a burden to
the DAWG as well as users of both QLs.

Patrick asked about the implementation burden of XQuery for folks who
just want to do RDF query. DanC expects the DAWG to determine this.

The working group is encouraged to provide use cases that are out of
scope in order to show where DAWG products fit in the greater
architecture of the (semantic) web.

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