- From: Arjohn Kampman <arjohn.kampman@aduna-software.com>
- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:27:49 +0200
- To: public-rdf-dawg-comments@w3.org
So far, I haven't seen a conclusive answer to my question on the EBV of
malformed datatyped literals such as "aaa"^^xsd:int. Is this issue still
on the working group's radar?
Jeremy Carroll wrote:
>
>
> IMO the ebv of "aaa"^^xsd:int should be either false or an error
> (however you represent an error).
>
> I believe the quoted text says the EBV is true (see below).
>
>
> I suggest an additional introductory sentence concerning EBV along the
> lines of:
>
>
> "For typed literals that are not <a
> href="http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/#illformedliteral">ill-typed</a>:"
>
> scoping the quoted text, and any other text defining EBVs for typed
> literals.
>
>
> And an additional paragraph:
>
> "The EBV of any <a
> href="http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/#illformedliteral">ill-typed</a>
> literal is false."
>
> (or whatever).
>
>
> Note the link basically says RDF works OK with ill-typed literals, but
> they do not have a literal value.
>
> My reading of the quoted paragraph with "aaa"^^xsd:int is a s follows.
>
>
> >> "If the argument is a numeric type or a typed literal with a datatype
> >> derived from a numeric type,
>
> xsd:int is a datatype derived from a numeric type
>
> >> the EBV is false if the operand value is
> >> NaN or is numerically equal to zero;
>
> The operand is neither NaN or 0
>
> >> otherwise the EBV is true."
>
> thus the EBV is true :(
>
>
> Jeremy
>
> PS I have not looked at the surrounding context for the quoted text, but
> believe that this is msg should be sufficiently helpful. If you need be
> to look at more text please send a link: but I'm only working a few
> hours this week.
>
>
>
> Eric Prud'hommeaux wrote:
>> Heya Jeremy, I thought I'd see if you knew the answer to this one off
>> the top of your head. I think the question is basically what is the
>> denotation (in mt tersm) of "bla"^^xsd:integer .
>>
>> Thoughts so far:
>>
>> - There is no <"bla", x> in xsd:integer.
>> - It would be impractical to demand that SPARQL work only on consistent
>> graphs (since it's a moving target).
>> - Even consistent wrt a subset of xsd-entailments (
>> * xsd:integer
>> * xsd:decimal
>> * xsd:float
>> * xsd:double
>> * xsd:string
>> * xsd:boolean
>> * xsd:dateTime
>> ) would be impractical as the insertion of "bla"^^xsd:integer wold
>> make the whole graph disappear (or fall outside SPARQL).
>> - Maybe the triple {_:bob foaf:age "bla"^^xsd:integer} simply doesn't
>> exist, but then the graph-pattern-matching part of SPARQL has to do
>> expensive validity checking best left for FILTERs.
>> - EBVs and XPath invocation text could say that illegal lexical values
>> result in err:FOCA0002: Invalid lexical value.
>> -- http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#ERRFOCA0002
>>
>>
>> Arjohn's comment was about the boolean value of "bla"^^xsd:integer (say
>> FILTER ("bla"^^xsd:integer && TRUE)) but it also pertains to the rest
>> of the XPath-based operators ("bla"^^xsd:integer + 7). Their invocation
>> is defined in
>> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq25#operandDataTypes
>>
>>
>> Is the answer already in there? Do I just need some explanatory text?
>>
>> * Arjohn Kampman <arjohn.kampman@aduna-software.com> [2007-07-18
>> 14:28+0200]
>>> Dear DAWG,
>>>
>>> It's not completely clear to me what the Effective Boolean Value of
>>> invalid numeric literals should be. I have been unable to find a
>>> decisive answer in the current SPARQL specification.
>>>
>>> The current definition of EBV states:
>>>
>>> "If the argument is a numeric type or a typed literal with a datatype
>>> derived from a numeric type, the EBV is false if the operand value is
>>> NaN or is numerically equal to zero; otherwise the EBV is true."
>>>
>>> With this definition, it's clear that the EBV of "0"^^xsd:integer should
>>> be <false> and the EBV of "12345"^^xsd:int should be <true>. However, it
>>> doesn't exactly cover the case of invalid numeric literals like
>>> "bla"^^xsd:integer. I assume that this would result in a type error, but
>>> with the definition quoted above it could just as well evaluate to
>>> <true>.
>>>
>>> The EBV definition for boolean literals is a little clearer, but it also
>>> leaves room for interpretation.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate it if someone could clarify what the expected
>>> behaviour should be.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Arjohn
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arjohn Kampman, Senior Software Engineer
>>> Aduna - Guided Exploration
>>> www.aduna-software.com
>>
>
--
Arjohn Kampman, Senior Software Engineer
Aduna - Guided Exploration
www.aduna-software.com
Received on Thursday, 30 August 2007 11:28:23 UTC