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RE: string-length example

From: Kay, Michael <Michael.Kay@softwareag.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:31:15 +0200
Message-ID: <DFF2AC9E3583D511A21F0008C7E62106073DD105@daemsg02.software-ag.de>
To: Jim Melton <jim.melton@acm.org>, Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com>
Cc: public-qt-comments@w3.org
But it would be nice to get the quote right.

From Henry VI Part 2, Jon Bosak edition:

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>CADE</SPEAKER>
<LINE>Be brave, then; for your captain is brave, and vows</LINE>
<LINE>reformation. There shall be in England seven</LINE>
<LINE>halfpenny loaves sold for a penny: the three-hooped</LINE>
<LINE>pot shall have ten hoops and I will make it felony</LINE>
<LINE>to drink small beer: all the realm shall be in</LINE>
<LINE>common; and in Cheapside shall my palfrey go to</LINE>
<LINE>grass: and when I am king, as king I will be,--</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>ALL</SPEAKER>
<LINE>God save your majesty!</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>CADE</SPEAKER>
<LINE>I thank you, good people: there shall be no money;</LINE>
<LINE>all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will</LINE>
<LINE>apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree</LINE>
<LINE>like brothers and worship me their lord.</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>DICK</SPEAKER>
<LINE>The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>CADE</SPEAKER>
<LINE>Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable</LINE>
<LINE>thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should</LINE>
<LINE>be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled</LINE>
<LINE>o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings:</LINE>
<LINE>but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal</LINE>
<LINE>once to a thing, and I was never mine own man</LINE>
<LINE>since. How now! who's there?</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<STAGEDIR>Enter some, bringing forward the Clerk of Chatham</STAGEDIR>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>SMITH</SPEAKER>
<LINE>The clerk of Chatham: he can write and read and</LINE>
<LINE>cast accompt.</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>CADE</SPEAKER>
<LINE>O monstrous!</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>SMITH</SPEAKER>
<LINE>We took him setting of boys' copies.</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>CADE</SPEAKER>
<LINE>Here's a villain!</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>SMITH</SPEAKER>
<LINE>Has a book in his pocket with red letters in't.</LINE>
</SPEECH>

<SPEECH>
<SPEAKER>CADE</SPEAKER>
<LINE>Nay, then, he is a conjurer.</LINE>
</SPEECH>

Michael Kay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Melton [mailto:jim.melton@acm.org] 
> Sent: 10 September 2003 20:22
> To: Tobias Reif
> Cc: public-qt-comments@w3.org
> Subject: Re: string-length example
> 
> 
> 
> While I am not a devotee of political correctness, I strive to not 
> gratuitously offend others.  But saying that a famous, widely-known 
> quotation from arguably the most important writer in English 
> literature, is 
> so offensive that we have to avoid it is astonishing.  (Note how I am 
> sincerely trying to avoid perjorative terms or attitudes!)
> 
> I will also say that I personally know a couple of dozen 
> lawyers, including 
> members of my family.  All of them know the quotation, none 
> of them are 
> offended by it, all of them use it in their own conversations 
> and jokes 
> with other lawyers and with clients, and none of them have 
> expressed the 
> slightest discomfort with it.  So I find myself wondering why we are 
> debating whether to include a quotation that *might* be 
> offensive to some 
> uneducated lawyer, even though significant personal 
> experience demonstrates 
> that many --- probably most, perhaps nearly all --- lawyers 
> are not at all 
> offended by it.
> 
> I don't think that anybody who has studied English literature 
> even in small 
> amounts believes that Shakespeare was actually proposing 
> killing anybody, 
> much less wholesale slaughter of an entire class of people.  
> The reason I 
> would not be inclined to quote David Duke or Adolf Hitler is 
> because their 
> statements are intended to hurt people directly and to foment 
> the physical 
> destruction of classes of people.  That is, in my view of the 
> world, a very 
> different thing.
> 
> Sigh...
>     Jim
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:55 PM 9/9/2003 +0200 Tuesday, Tobias Reif wrote:
> 
> >scott_boag@us.ibm.com wrote:
> > >(I assume you would not quote David Duke or Hitler...
> >
> >Exactly.
> >A sentence does not get any better just because it has been 
> written by 
> >a
> >famous person.
> >
> >I still think that adding the source of the quote would improve the
> >situation, but only slightly.
> >
> >Tobi
> >
> >--
> >http://www.pinkjuice.com/
> 
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