- From: Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com>
- Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:43:34 -0400
- To: Neustudio <susan@neustudio.com>
- Cc: "Cholfin, Bryan" <bryan_cholfin@harvard.edu>, Paul Belfanti <pbelfanti@gmail.com>, "Siegman, Tzviya" <tsiegman@wiley.com>, Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, "public-publishingcg@w3.org" <public-publishingcg@w3.org>, "public-epub3@w3.org" <public-epub3@w3.org>, "Teixeira, Mateus" <mteixeira@wwnorton.com>, "Schindler Wolfgang Dr." <w.schindler@pons.de>
- Message-ID: <c80c06e7-97e6-d8fc-7a36-7e18729f42f7@wysebee.com>
+1 to https://www.neustudio.com/prevent-broken-web-links-in-ebooks.html [Advertisement Alert] The project I am working on (wysebee.com) can actually let publisher put resource in our platform since they are whitelisted. Cheers, Zheng On 2022-08-11 5:35 p.m., Neustudio wrote: > I've been thinking about how to prevent link rot in Ebooks > <https://www.neustudio.com/prevent-broken-web-links-in-ebooks.html>, > and two options came to mind— > > 1. Adding the links to the Internet Archive and using that URL, > > 2. The publisher or author builds a web page with all the links and > dedicates resources to keeping them up-to-date. Then the > author-controlled web page is linked in the ebook. > > Neither solution is perfect. > > > Susan > > *Susan Neuhaus* > *NeuStudio* > We Design Wonder > 908.500.7183 > neustudio.com <http://neustudio.com> > > > >> On Aug 11, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com> wrote: >> >> I think this can be solved by retailer store if they could support as >> long as retailer store has list of all the resources. >> >> Or it could be possible that publisher also host some of server if >> the external links are pointing to their server. >> >> >> Some interesting things about external resources (outside of epub >> file) to me are: >> >> 1. how to let user know the external links are whitelisted (verified >> by retailer) vs suspicious links >> >> 2. how to let user still be able to navigate back to available pages >> if some of the chapter is from outside and broken (think about a11y >> as well). >> >> >> I kinda feel how to define certain external resource as a good >> citizen might be interested in spec discovery? >> >> >> Another thing about splitting epub file to smaller chunk is can we >> define a way to let reader retrieve part of the book? >> >> Think about even Android started to let user partially download part >> of application and started to enforce app creator to package in that >> way.https://developer.android.com/guide/app-bundle >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Zheng >> >> >> On 2022-08-11 4:59 p.m., Cholfin, Bryan wrote: >>> And in addition, your external links will be subject to link rot >>> over time. URLs will change, servers will go offline. You, the >>> publisher, will have the responsibility of maintaining that. >>> >>> --Bryan >>> >>> <image001.png> <http://www.hup.harvard.edu/> >>> >>> *Bryan Cholfin* >>> Harvard University Press >>> 617.496.9116 >>> 79 Garden Street | Cambridge, MA 02138-1400 >>> www.hup.harvard.edu <http://www.hup.harvard.edu/> >>> >>> *From:*Paul Belfanti<pbelfanti@gmail.com> >>> *Date:*Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 4:48 PM >>> *To:*Siegman, Tzviya<tsiegman@wiley.com> >>> *Cc:*Colin Pittendrigh<sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>, >>> Neustudio<susan@neustudio.com>, Leonard >>> Rosenthol<lrosenth@adobe.com>, Zheng >>> Xu<zxu@wysebee.com>,public-publishingcg@w3.org<public-publishingcg@w3.org>,public-epub3@w3.org<public-epub3@w3.org>, >>> Teixeira, Mateus<mteixeira@wwnorton.com>, Schindler Wolfgang >>> Dr.<w.schindler@pons.de> >>> *Subject:*Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug 10, >>> 2022 >>> >>> Fair. >>> *Paul* >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:28 PM Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Universal connectivity is not something this group can solve though. >>> *Tzviya Siegman* >>> Information Standards Principal >>> Wiley >>> 201-748-6884 >>> tsiegman@wiley.com >>> *From:*Paul Belfanti <pbelfanti@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:*Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:38 PM >>> *To:*Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com> >>> *Cc:*Neustudio <susan@neustudio.com>; Leonard Rosenthol >>> <lrosenth@adobe.com>; Zheng Xu >>> <zxu@wysebee.com>;public-publishingcg@w3.org;public-epub3@w3.org; >>> Teixeira, Mateus <mteixeira@wwnorton.com>; Schindler Wolfgang >>> Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de> >>> *Subject:*Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug >>> 10, 2022 >>> ⛔ >>> >>> This is an external email. >>> >>> +1 on universal/rural connectivity - that's affordable >>> Best, >>> *Paul* >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 10:11 AM Colin Pittendrigh >>> <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The solution to no connectivity is to make rural connectivity >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:10 AM Colin Pittendrigh >>> <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I spent five years developing an online curriculum in >>> elementary computer programming on the Crow Indian >>> Reservation in Montana.. That curriculum failed because >>> none of the kids had internet connectivity at home. >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 7:31 AM Neustudio >>> <susan@neustudio.com> wrote: >>> >>> I work in children’s publishing, and I suspect >>> relying on external links would be a problem for >>> families with no or low-quality internet >>> connectivity. Though I”m intrigued by the idea of a >>> use case where external links would allow more >>> exploring/customizing a book when the setting >>> supports data transfer. >>> Since this is already allowed in the spec, what is >>> the role of the work group? —Susan >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Leonard Rosenthol >>> <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote: >>> At the end of the day it’s up to the producer of >>> the EPUB. >>> If they want something fully self-contained, the >>> standard will let them do that. If they want >>> something that use links to external content, >>> the standard will let them do that. >>> Of course, whether a given EPUB distribution >>> system will support/allow external content or >>> whether a given reading system will support it, >>> is another question. But all of that is outside >>> the scope of the standard. >>> Leonard >>> >>> *From: *Colin Pittendrigh >>> <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 7:32 PM >>> *To: *Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com> >>> *Cc: >>> *public-publishingcg@w3.org <public-publishingcg@w3.org>, >>> public-epub3@w3.org <public-epub3@w3.org>, >>> Teixeira, Mateus <mteixeira@wwnorton.com>, >>> Schindler Wolfgang Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community >>> Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022 >>> >>> *EXTERNAL: Use caution when clicking on links or >>> opening attachments.* >>> >>> RE> 750mb file size limit. Bear with me. I'm a >>> retired database guy. >>> Why can't epubs be text only, with resource URLs >>> to streamed images and video on remote servers? >>> When I ask this question I'm invariably told "It >>> won't work without a wifi connection!" >>> My answer is "So what?" I'm almost never away >>> from wifi unless I'm driving. And in that case I >>> shouldn't be reading anyway. Are you on a >>> camping trip? Read now, view video later. Video >>> is too big to store on a phone. Video should be >>> streamed. No matter what. >>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 12:54 PM Zheng Xu >>> <zxu@wysebee.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Thanks for attending today's meeting. >>> >>> Here is today's meeting minutes. >>> >>> https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/blob/master/Meetings/Minutes/2022-08-10-publishingcg.md >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fgithub.com*2Fw3c*2Fpublishingcg*2Fblob*2Fmaster*2FMeetings*2FMinutes*2F2022-08-10-publishingcg.md&data=05*7C01*7Clrosenth*40adobe.com*7Ccaccf28d837c427cdd5b08da7b2899b0*7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1*7C0*7C0*7C637957711557175407*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=Y0*2F0T8ghPwgSzbrFovfx8Rn9ik59XOdjEDpj77Yh2IQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!N11eV2iwtfs!pB9Lbm_qmvrDT3jbymDVf2LoRtbvdbpkQWzmdc5veYHnGiHy3oE2Qsu7Kom_Ox0__PLI3T9WR-WF_p-n$> >>> >>> Please feel free to let us know if any >>> questions or feedback. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Mateus, Wolfgang and Zheng >>> >>> >>> -- >>> /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh >--oO0> */ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh >--oO0> */ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh >--oO0> */ >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential >>> and intended only for the person or entity to whom it is >>> addressed. 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