Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022

In instructional design practice there is content that is required. There is content that is optional. At the community college we are always concerned as to whether our students have online access at home; especially in rural areas. Better to have essential content self contained. Simple svg images do not take up a lot of space. Put external links in a bibliography or appendix.

All web designers know to watch download sizes. The same should be true with ePub publishers.

Best Regards,

Dale Rogers, M.Ed., CIW
Assistant Professor, Web and Multimedia Design
Nashville State Community College
Instructional/eLearning Developer
dale.r.rogers@gmail.com
dale.rogers@nscc.edu
http://dalerogers.me/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dalerrogers/


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From: Cholfin, Bryan <bryan_cholfin@harvard.edu>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:59:09 PM
To: Paul Belfanti <pbelfanti@gmail.com>; Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Cc: Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>; Neustudio <susan@neustudio.com>; Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>; Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com>; public-publishingcg@w3.org <public-publishingcg@w3.org>; public-epub3@w3.org <public-epub3@w3.org>; Teixeira, Mateus <mteixeira@wwnorton.com>; Schindler Wolfgang Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de>
Subject: Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022


And in addition, your external links will be subject to link rot over time. URLs will change, servers will go offline. You, the publisher, will have the responsibility of maintaining that.





--Bryan

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Bryan Cholfin
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From: Paul Belfanti <pbelfanti@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 4:48 PM
To: Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Cc: Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>, Neustudio <susan@neustudio.com>, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com>, public-publishingcg@w3.org <public-publishingcg@w3.org>, public-epub3@w3.org <public-epub3@w3.org>, Teixeira, Mateus <mteixeira@wwnorton.com>, Schindler Wolfgang Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de>
Subject: Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022

Fair.



Paul





On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:28 PM Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>> wrote:

Universal connectivity is not something this group can solve though.



Tzviya Siegman

Information Standards Principal

Wiley

201-748-6884

tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>



From: Paul Belfanti <pbelfanti@gmail.com<mailto:pbelfanti@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:38 PM
To: Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com<mailto:sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>>
Cc: Neustudio <susan@neustudio.com<mailto:susan@neustudio.com>>; Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>; Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com<mailto:zxu@wysebee.com>>; public-publishingcg@w3.org<mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org>; public-epub3@w3.org<mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>; Teixeira, Mateus <mteixeira@wwnorton.com<mailto:mteixeira@wwnorton.com>>; Schindler Wolfgang Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de<mailto:w.schindler@pons.de>>
Subject: Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022



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This is an external email.

+1 on universal/rural connectivity - that's affordable



Best,



Paul





On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 10:11 AM Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com<mailto:sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>> wrote:

The solution to no connectivity is to make rural connectivity



On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:10 AM Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com<mailto:sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>> wrote:

I spent five years developing an online curriculum in elementary computer programming on the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana..  That curriculum failed because none of the kids had internet connectivity at home.



On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 7:31 AM Neustudio <susan@neustudio.com<mailto:susan@neustudio.com>> wrote:

I work in children’s publishing, and I suspect relying on external links would be a problem for families with no or low-quality internet connectivity. Though I”m intrigued by the idea of a use case where external links would allow more exploring/customizing a book when the setting supports data transfer.



Since this is already allowed in the spec, what is the role of the work group?  —Susan







On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:



At the end of the day it’s up to the producer of the EPUB.



If they want something fully self-contained, the standard will let them do that.  If they want something that use links to external content, the standard will let them do that.



Of course, whether a given EPUB distribution system will support/allow external content or whether a given reading system will support it, is another question.  But all of that is outside the scope of the standard.



Leonard



From: Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com<mailto:sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 7:32 PM
To: Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com<mailto:zxu@wysebee.com>>
Cc: public-publishingcg@w3.org<mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org> <public-publishingcg@w3.org<mailto:public-publishingcg@w3.org>>, public-epub3@w3.org<mailto:public-epub3@w3.org> <public-epub3@w3.org<mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>>, Teixeira, Mateus <mteixeira@wwnorton.com<mailto:mteixeira@wwnorton.com>>, Schindler Wolfgang Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de<mailto:w.schindler@pons.de>>
Subject: Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022

EXTERNAL: Use caution when clicking on links or opening attachments.



RE> 750mb file size limit.  Bear with me.  I'm a retired database guy.

Why can't epubs be text only, with resource URLs to streamed images and video on remote servers?



When I ask this question I'm invariably told "It won't work without a wifi connection!"



My answer is "So what?"  I'm almost never away from wifi unless I'm driving. And in that case I shouldn't be reading anyway.  Are you on a camping trip?  Read now, view video later.  Video is too big to store on a phone.  Video should be streamed. No matter what.



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 12:54 PM Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com<mailto:zxu@wysebee.com>> wrote:

Hi all

Thanks for attending today's meeting.

Here is today's meeting minutes.

https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/blob/master/Meetings/Minutes/2022-08-10-publishingcg.md<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fgithub.com*2Fw3c*2Fpublishingcg*2Fblob*2Fmaster*2FMeetings*2FMinutes*2F2022-08-10-publishingcg.md&data=05*7C01*7Clrosenth*40adobe.com*7Ccaccf28d837c427cdd5b08da7b2899b0*7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1*7C0*7C0*7C637957711557175407*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=Y0*2F0T8ghPwgSzbrFovfx8Rn9ik59XOdjEDpj77Yh2IQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!N11eV2iwtfs!pB9Lbm_qmvrDT3jbymDVf2LoRtbvdbpkQWzmdc5veYHnGiHy3oE2Qsu7Kom_Ox0__PLI3T9WR-WF_p-n$>

Please feel free to let us know if any questions or feedback.


Cheers,

Mateus, Wolfgang and Zheng




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