RE: [PBG] Agenda for 20181009 call

Stability of the EPUB export from InDesign - gotcha, thanks!   Happy to talk about it over beer in Lyon 😊

Creative Cloud is still the largest of the three clouds (in terms of customers and revenue) but publishing (as defined by many of the folks on this list) is just one aspect of the many way you can be creative with our tools.  Additionally, we (like the rest of the world) are moving from a desktop-centric software model to one centered in the cloud with various clients (cloud, mobile and desktop).  So while we absolutely continue to invest in our desktop solutions, they are just one piece of a larger ecosystem we want you to be part of.  I will also point out our involvement in standards groups such as this, CSS, A11y, etc. as indications of where our priorities are.

Back on the issue of Math - it's true that we haven't invested in that area in InDesign because I don't know how many customers want/need it.  On the other hand, if you look at where we have been doing Math for 25+ years(!!), FrameMaker, it generates accessible EPUBs incl. Math (given the limitations of the platforms).  

Leonard

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian O'Leary <brian@bisg.org> 
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 5:34 PM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Cc: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>; McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; public-publishingbg@w3.org; AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; Johnson, Rick <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>
Subject: Re: [PBG] Agenda for 20181009 call

The stability of export from InDesign is a question, as is Adobe’s interest in publishing as a market. The headlines are about Marketo and Salesforce, not workflows and integration.

I am supposed to wear a neutral hat, but seriously... deal with the core point. What has Adobe done to make math content more accessible?

I answered the agenda with data about a problem that real users brought to me. I don’t need my inbox filled with outrage over perceived slights. I need formats that support math on multiple platforms in ways that a print-disabled audience values. Everything else is marketing to people who know better.

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> On Oct 8, 2018, at 10:33 PM, McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com> wrote:
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> Leonard-
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> I'm not sure what Dave meant, but I took it as a reference to Adobe InDesign and some of the less than helpful things it does with an EPUB export and that It is not easy to set math in InDesign. 
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> And there, he confirmed it. 
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> Same issues at PRH. 
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> Liisa
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> On 10/8/18, 4:27 PM, "Leonard Rosenthol" <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote:
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>> proprietary, unstable format (cough, Adobe, cough)?
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>    Which "proprietary unstable format" are we referring to?   Flash?
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>    Certainly not PDF, which has been an open international standard for over 10 years now....
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>    Leonard
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>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com> 
>    Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 1:53 PM
>    To: Brian O'Leary <brian@bisg.org>
>    Cc: McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; public-publishingbg@w3.org; AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; Johnson, Rick <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>
>    Subject: Re: [PBG] Agenda for 20181009 call
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>>    On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:43 PM Brian O'Leary <brian@bisg.org> wrote:
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>> I agree with your reframing. There are knock-on workflow implications (eg, if I am heavily invested in Math ML and it isn’t what we need to make things work on the web, what do we do?), but we should be asking the question as you have outlined it here. Thanks for redirecting me.
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>    MathML shares the fate of many XML vocabularies: being a crucial component of workflows, but being transformed to something else to display to the end user. We seem to have figured out the low-level languages of the web, but what about the higher-level languages? Where are the tools that allow us to work at a human scale without restricting us to a proprietary, unstable format (cough, Adobe, cough)? MathML is not particularly usable by humans.
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Received on Tuesday, 9 October 2018 13:02:51 UTC