- From: Bernhard Heinser <bernhard.heinser@access-for-all.ch>
- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:44:35 +0100
- To: public-publishingbg@w3.org
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Why not "one of the fundamental publishing ecosystems"? Best. Bernhard Am 20.03.2017 um 12:49 schrieb Leonard Rosenthol: > > Liisa – I completely agree with you and certainly wouldn’t suggest > that anyone wait for PWP or EPUB4… > > But to say that EPUB is THE fundamental technology for the global > publish ecosystem is simply false. I think you would agree that the > web itself, printing presses, or any number of larger scale systems > are more fundamental to that ecosystem than EPUB. > > So making that one small change (of ‘the fundamental’ to ‘a > fundemantal”) will make the paragraph truthful and realistic. > > Leonard > > *From: *"McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com> > *Date: *Monday, March 20, 2017 at 4:17 PM > *To: *Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr> > *Cc: *Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>, Leonard Rosenthol > <lrosenth@adobe.com>, W3C Publishing Business Group > <public-publishingbg@w3.org>, Bill Kasdorf > <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, W3C Digital Publishing IG > <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee > <public-publishing-sc@w3.org> > *Subject: *Re: Proposed charter change for the 'Why EPUB 4' issue > > Ivan- I’m quite happy with what you have below and think Graham’s > changes have enhanced the original text. > > Leonard- I understand your point, but it is important for those of us > coming from the EPUB community to help people understand that it will > continue to be a strong format in this new world and that no one using > it now loses faith in continuing to use it for the near future. I met > someone at the EPUB Summit in Brussels who said “Oh- this PWP- I will > wait for it. It sounds fantastic.” Yes, sure, it will be fantastic. > We’ll all make it fantastic and flexible. But no one should hold off > on digitization waiting for PWP. I hope you can understand. > > *From: *Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> > *Date: *Monday, March 20, 2017 at 3:16 AM > *To: *Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr > <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> > *Cc: *Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org <mailto:graham@editeur.org>>, > Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, > W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org > <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>, Bill Kasdorf > <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com <mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>>, > Microsoft Office User <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com > <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, W3C Digital > Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org > <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee > <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>> > *Subject: *Re: Proposed charter change for the 'Why EPUB 4' issue > > Just to be absolutely sure, and avoid further misunderstandings, is > this a text we can agreed upon? I adopted Graham's changes on the > original text and, actually, I allowed myself to add one more > adjective, in line with the earlier comments (in another issue) of > Richard Ishida, our Internationalization guy on the team, namely > accessibility (this is something he asked to add on other places as > well). I have put in bold the two important parts of the text in this > discussion: > > [[[ > > <a href="https://www.w3.org/Submission/2017/SUBM-epub31-20170125/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FSubmission%2F2017%2FSUBM-epub31-20170125%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754473139&sdata=uX8wZW07yTSl9MhTJlVqPv6kgeY1GL%2B4EGLY7H6qYKU%3D&reserved=0>">EPUB</a> > *has become the fundamental technology* for the global publishing > ecosystem (see the <a > href="https://w3c.github.io/dpubwg-charter/EPUB4_business_case.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fdpubwg-charter%2FEPUB4_business_case.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=oja6w92AogW893Ixu%2FPSclWU9rKeFYrGTiVZA0gbf48%3D&reserved=0>">separate > document</a>, published by the <a > href="https://www.w3.org/community/publishingbg/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fcommunity%2Fpublishingbg%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=Otgzz1fqmKRgBeSxh5cLUiY%2FOnQtxIrsYH0f%2BL9wL24%3D&reserved=0>">W3C > Publishing Business Group</a>, for more details and backgrounds). It > is the preferred format for a broad range of types of publications, > not only for distribution but also for authoring and production > workflows. As part of the work on Web Publications, described in this > charter, it is also critical that a next generation of EPUB, currently > referred to as EPUB 4, *retain the specificity, portability, > predictability, internationalization, and accessibility* required by > the publishing ecosystem while benefitting from the improved features > and functionalities offered by Packaged Web Publications. EPUB 4 must > not be in conflict with Web Publications; it must be a type of Web > Publication that provides the predictability and interoperability that > this ecosystem has come to rely on. > > ]] > > Ivan > > On 20 Mar 2017, at 07:41, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr > <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> wrote: > > Hi, > > I prefer original language and support Graham proposition about > « particular mention of accessibility ». > > Luc > > *De :*Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org <mailto:graham@editeur.org>> > *Date :*dimanche 19 mars 2017 22:59 > *À :*Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com > <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> > *Cc :*Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>, W3C > Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org > <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>, Bill Kasdorf > <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com <mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>>, > Liisa McCloy-Kelley <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com > <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, W3C Digital > Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org > <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Steering > Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org > <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>> > *Objet :*Re: Proposed charter change for the 'Why EPUB 4' issue > *Renvoyer - De :*<public-digipub-ig@w3.org > <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>> > *Renvoyer - Date :*dimanche 19 mars 2017 23:00 > > All > > I'm don't agree with these proposed changes. They have the effect > of making it sound a little like accessibility is the only reason > to choose EPUB. > > It is THE preferred format for a broad range of types of doc > (while not necessarily being preferred for some other types of > doc). And this is true irrespective of their level of > accessibility -- accessibility is_one of several_reasons to prefer > EPUB, and some are even listed in the next sentence. > > Now I do agree there should be particular mention of > accessibility. So instead of moving accessible earlier in the > sentence, I would suggest it's added to "specificity, portability, > predictability and accessibility" instead. > > > It is the preferred format for a broad range of types > of accessible publications, not only for distribution but also > for authoring and production workflows, and for accessibility. > As part of the work on Web Publications, described in this > charter, it is also critical that a next generation of EPUB, > currently referred to as EPUB 4, retain the specificity, > portability, and predictability required by the publishing > ecosystem while benefitting from the improved features and > functionalities offered by Packaged Web Publications. EPUB 4 > must not be in conflict with Web Publications; it must be a > type of Web Publication that provides the predictability and > interoperability that this ecosystem has come to rely on. > > > Graham Bell > > EDItEUR > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 19 Mar 2017, at 08:45, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com > <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote: > > Proposed changes to the EPUB 4 text in the charter: (changes > inline in red, and called out individually following) > > <a > href="https://www.w3.org/Submission/2017/SUBM-epub31-20170125 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FSubmission%2F2017%2FSUBM-epub31-20170125&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=FuQnA5rs5M3WPcXkVNZXabkNBdo88tMGSrf8Q7NEdjw%3D&reserved=0>/">EPUB</a> > has become a fundamental technology for the global publishing > ecosystem (see the <a > href="https://w3c.github.io/dpubwg-charter/EPUB4_business_case.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fdpubwg-charter%2FEPUB4_business_case.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=oja6w92AogW893Ixu%2FPSclWU9rKeFYrGTiVZA0gbf48%3D&reserved=0>">separate > document</a>, published by the <a > href="https://www.w3.org/community/publishingbg > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fcommunity%2Fpublishingbg&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=k6HHVrs1175F7O3iJYHbLH94MTgTloyKFWZoDvX09XY%3D&reserved=0>/">W3C > Publishing Business Group</a>, for more details and > backgrounds). It isapreferred format for a broad range of > types ofaccessiblepublications, not only for distribution but > also for authoring and production workflows, and for > accessibility. As part of the work on Web Publications, > described in this charter, it is also critical that a next > generation of EPUB, currently referred to as EPUB 4, retain > the specificity, portability, and predictability required by > the publishing ecosystem while benefitting from the improved > features and functionalities offered by Packaged Web > Publications. EPUB 4 must not be in conflict with Web > Publications; it must be a type of Web Publication that > provides the predictability and interoperability that this > ecosystem has come to rely on. > > 1 – the -> a (since there are many preferred formats used in > publishing depending on the context) > > 2 – moved accessibility to be more primary in the description > of publications (and make the sentence clearer) > > Leonard > > *From:*Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> > *Date:*Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 3:50 PM > *To:*W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org > <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>> > *Cc:*Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com > <mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>>, Liisa McCloy-Kelley > <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com > <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, W3C Digital > Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org > <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>, W3C Publishing Steering > Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org > <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>> > *Subject:*Proposed charter change for the 'Why EPUB 4' issue > *Resent-From:*<public-publishingbg@w3.org > <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>> > *Resent-Date:*Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:50:33 +0000 > > Dear all, > > as agreed on the F2F meeting in London, there is now a > proposal to settle Issue #27[1]. BillK (with minor help from > Liisa and I) has created a document on the business case of > EPUB & EPUB 4[2], and a there is also a proposal for the > charter text that contains a single paragraph and a reference > to that document[3] (see the paragraph right before section 2.1). > > These changes have not yet been incorporated into the 'main' > charter (hence the funny URL-s [2] and [3]). Please either add > your comment to [1] or the "Pull request" issue[4]. If you > want to propose specific editorial changes, that can also be > done by using [5] or [6], respectively. > > Thanks > > Ivan > > P.S. The link to the 'business case' in the proposed new > charter paragraph does not work at this moment; it points to > the place where the final document will be if and when this > proposed change, a.k.a. 'pull request' is merged to the main > branch. > > [1]https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/issues/27 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpubwg-charter%2Fissues%2F27&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=bb9uilGZGw3tL1aFYT5qaAnlt%2FfF9b%2Fqd807YcSos3M%3D&reserved=0> > > [2] > https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/bcase-draft/EPUB4_business_case.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpubwg-charter%2Fbcase-draft%2FEPUB4_business_case.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=oQn1D54r3EOD6GPnOYUyH0%2Fxchqy2Lyh1uoYskcdvY8%3D&reserved=0> > > [3] > https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/bcase-draft/index.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpubwg-charter%2Fbcase-draft%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=g2jHw%2F7dXIK7Mkjfg%2BWwsVoN6%2FTjmH850glwCVfwdmk%3D&reserved=0> > > [4] https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/pull/41 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpubwg-charter%2Fpull%2F41&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754483148&sdata=tn8ws2Yi377Bh2msVZTz0Kz0EBdz1s%2Bp3LKkAFXWy3o%3D&reserved=0> > > [5] > https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/blob/bcase-draft/EPUB4_business_case.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpubwg-charter%2Fblob%2Fbcase-draft%2FEPUB4_business_case.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754493157&sdata=C0DL9JKETkcn2nE3J08gT0IR6AGmd1azQrz5lrYT6nc%3D&reserved=0> > > [6] > https://github.com/w3c/dpubwg-charter/blob/bcase-draft/index.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpubwg-charter%2Fblob%2Fbcase-draft%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754493157&sdata=DJH%2BHzTxd3vH%2FRWxTxkkjYmMeX3bCXsfjYqLIOSmAHs%3D&reserved=0> > > ---- > Ivan Herman, W3C > Publishing@W3C Technical Lead > Home:http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FPeople%2FIvan%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754493157&sdata=R1yicV%2FlHkYFubISeZ3srCLW3SJeG5dDjKta%2FhsZ5Hg%3D&reserved=0> > mobile: +31-641044153 > > ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2F0000-0003-0782-2704&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754493157&sdata=qC8RfIq%2B9PnHFiIp4I6aDOvtkt2SIJKmD2qm3fwWQL8%3D&reserved=0> > > > ---- > Ivan Herman, W3C > Publishing@W3C Technical Lead > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FPeople%2FIvan%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754493157&sdata=R1yicV%2FlHkYFubISeZ3srCLW3SJeG5dDjKta%2FhsZ5Hg%3D&reserved=0> > mobile: +31-641044153 > > ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2F0000-0003-0782-2704&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4e680bb5a68406db5fe08d46f7e8f4d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256036754493157&sdata=qC8RfIq%2B9PnHFiIp4I6aDOvtkt2SIJKmD2qm3fwWQL8%3D&reserved=0> > > -- Bernhard Heinser Mobile: +41 (0)79 703 37 71 Swiss Foundation Access for All / CEO (www.access-for-all.ch) bernhard.heinser@access-for-all.ch
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