RE: Agenda+ for PBGSC meeting 28 June 2019

Regrets for me because of a medical appointment, but I worked with the others listed below to write the below text. They represent me well. I look forward to reading the minutes.

Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>

From: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:28 AM
To: W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Agenda+ for PBGSC meeting 28 June 2019

Hi Everyone,

We've written up a brief description of what we hope to discuss at today's steering committee meeting as well as Monday's working group meeting:


The chairs of the Publishing Working Group (PWG) and the  EPUB 3 Community Group have been discussing how best to move forward with Web Publications. As the specification exists today, there is little chance of it being adopted by publishers, as it does not reflect current business needs. In spite of our best intentions, we did not gain the support of the browser vendors or the larger web community. We attempted standardization before experimentation and incubation. Clear business needs have been hard to find.


We feel the best course of action is to suspend work on web publications for now, and focus on areas where we have clearly-expressed and widely-supported business needs, such as audiobooks. We would consider resuming work on web publications, but we would need more clearly-articulated business needs, and broader participation from the web community as well as the publishing world.


So what should we do? We have a proposal:


  *   Publish the existing full Web Publications spec  as a Working Group Note, with the message that “there is insufficient business interest to proceed today, but we can revisit in the future.”
  *   Move forward with audiobooks. But we need to decide on an approach:

     *   Most of the chairs favor using the existing audiobook spec as a foundation, incorporating the manifest and associated vocabulary from Web Publications, and possibly integrating the packaging spec. By de-emphasising the WP aspect of audiobooks, specifying the processing of the manifest could become much simpler, avoiding the complications of fetch, CORS, and so on. But this still leaves open the possibility to better integrate with existing web technologies, and perhaps even evolve to support podcasts. And if the synced media proposal for audiobooks gains traction, it could be a boon to the larger web. This could open the door to future profiles as well.
     *   EPUB could become a packaged audio format by defining audio formats as core content types, allowing them to be referenced directly from the spine without fallbacks. This provides a natural way to incorporate navigation and non-audio content in audiobooks, and takes advantage of EPUB’s existing media overlays. But there may be little interest from the industry.

  *   Work with the publishing community to focus on the future of EPUB. Perhaps instead of inventing something new, we can bring EPUB closer to the web. Some of the ambitious proposals made for EPUB 3.1 could form the foundation of the EPUB 4 of the future, including the browser-friendly format, the HTML serialization, and more progress on scripting in EPUB. If the industry indeed sees a business need for a new version of EPUB, We do not yet know where that work might happen, but logistics will come later.
  *   Follow the advice that we've received from the larger web community about incubation, about identifying gaps in the web platform and advocating for filling them rather than trying to create a grand vision from scratch.


We will spend Monday’s meeting discussing these issues.  We hope to hear your thoughts about these questions in particular:


  1.  Would you prefer to move forward with audiobooks as is (in a Web Context) or audiobooks in an EPUB context? We would like to hear about implementation interest from both “listening system” vendors and content creators.
  2.  What are the next steps for EPUB? What comes after EPUB 3.2? Going forward, we will ask you to identify particular gaps in the EPUB specification.


Sincerely,


Tzviya Siegman

Wendy Reid

Garth Conboy

Ivan Herman

Matt Garrish

Ralph Swick

Dave Cramer

Rachel Comerford

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 12:16 PM Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,

As part of tomorrow's SC meeting, we would like to have a discussion about the future of the the Publishing Working Group. The chairs are proposing a change in emphasis on what the group does, focusing on audiobooks. This discussion would also touch on the future of EPUB, and whether to stop work on WP outside of audiobooks.

Regards,

Dave