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Re: [External] Small Group for Rec Track Proposal

From: Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:46:19 -0500
Message-ID: <CALhciFgT=Wa_Gvk68XR_20k2+jOJvA2UxUeZNdGBABH+Dk94pQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>
Cc: "Liisa'" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, "PBG Steering Committee (Public)" <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
I agree! Were you disagreeing with me? I think not!

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:44 PM Johnson, Rick <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>
wrote:

> Not to disagree…. Well… yeah, I guess I am going to slightly disagree!
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> This task force needs to:
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>    1. Be small
>    2. Be fast
>    3. Be focused
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> Specifically on the ‘be focused’ point, we should not over burden this
> group with needing to worry about things that are well covered in the EPUB
> spec.  We need people who can contribute to making a spec a W3C
> recommendation.  In my opinion that means the necessary voices to discuss
> process, tech requirements, and business requirements.
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> In that spirit, I agree that the named group has those things covered, but
> if they feel I can contribute, I’m happy to join.
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> -Rick
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> *From: *Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, November 9, 2018 at 6:28 PM
> *To: *Liisa' <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>
> *Cc: *Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>,
> "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>, "PBG Steering Committee
> (Public)" <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [External] Small Group for Rec Track Proposal
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> I just want to clarify that my previous message was "looks good, get
> going" rather than "close the group." For example, if George would want to
> participate, we wouldn't want him to have missed the chance! He would be
> particularly valuable because of his NISO involvement, not to mention
> keeping accessibility concerns front and center.
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> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:21 PM Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> I think you've got an ideal group to be effective on this. Having the
> public transparency lets others weigh in when they want to. Unless somebody
> else steps forward in response to your latest email, Liisa, I think you
> should get going with that group. It's the right size to get good
> discussion while still getting things done.
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> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:08 PM McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <
> lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com> wrote:
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> public-publishing-bg-epubrec-tf ?
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> Ivan
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> Liisa
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> Luc
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> Garth
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> Tzviya
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> Dave
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> Wendy
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> Any other takers? You know this is going to be fun…
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> *From: *AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
> *Date: *Friday, November 9, 2018 at 11:46 AM
> *To: *Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <
> lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>
> *Cc: *Rick Johnson <rick.johnson@vitalsource.com>, W3C Publishing
> Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [External] Small Group for Rec Track Proposal
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> Ivan,
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> I’m ok with a temporary mailing list.
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> If transparency is important, your second option seems more interesting.
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> Luc
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> *De :* Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
> *Envoyé :* vendredi, novembre 9, 2018 5:35 PM
> *À :* McCloy-Kelley, Liisa
> *Cc :* Rick Johnson; W3C Publishing Steering Committee
> *Objet :* Re: [External] Small Group for Rec Track Proposal
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> Actually, also in view of the fact that the very existence of the SC is
> sometimes questioned (see the other mail of Rick[1]) I think we should
> *not* simply reuse the SC. Let us avoid unnecessary controversies. I
> should have thought of that earlier.
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> So let me set up a separate (hopefully short lived, ie, 1-2 months…)
> mailing list. It would be open, ie, anybody can read the archives. The
> options that we have, from the top of my head:
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>
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> - anybody can simply subscribe by sending a simple "subscribe" mail or
> does it have to be done by me explicitly? (I would propose 'no', it should
> be an explicit request to the mailing list, and I would take care of the
> mechanics)
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>
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> - anybody can send a mail to the list, or only those who are already
> subscribed? (I would propose to leave it open to anyone who want to propose
> something, although that may open us up to spams in spite of the anti-spam
> measures that w3c have)
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> I will have a call soon, you guys can have fun finding a name for the
> list; the only restriction is that it should begin by "public-", in line
> with the naming conventions we have.
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> Ivan
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> [1]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2018Nov/0007.html
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> On 9 Nov 2018, at 17:23, McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <
> lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com> wrote:
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> No assumption that it would be ONLY SC members. If someone else wants to
> participate, they are welcome. I do think we need to try to keep the group
> small enough to not get loaded down. Our goal is to bring forward proposals
> that the larger BG could weigh in on. The looseness of the discussion right
> now makes it hard to move towards decisions.
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> Ivan and I were just talking about the fact that we want this
> collaboration on proposals to happen in a W3C visible place so that there
> is transparency. We were debating whether we need another mailing list or
> if enough of the SC want to help, we could use this one.
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> I’m responding to your other thread in a few minutes…
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> *From: *"Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>
> *Date: *Friday, November 9, 2018 at 11:19 AM
> *To: *"McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, W3C
> Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [External] Small Group for Rec Track Proposal
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> Is there an assumption that only current SC members would participate?
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> (just wondering if the wider community (WG, BG, or CG) might have someone
> we would want… and also wondering about my earlier email about the future
> of the SC itself)
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> -Rick
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> *From: *"McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>
> *Date: *Friday, November 9, 2018 at 4:38 PM
> *To: *W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject: *[External] Small Group for Rec Track Proposal
> *Resent-From: *<public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Friday, November 9, 2018 at 4:38 PM
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> At the PBG meeting earlier this week, it was floated that we form a small
> group to try to put together a proposal (or maybe some choices) for how we
> might proceed with EPUB and Rec Track.
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> Ivan, Garth, Tzviya, Liisa and Luc stepped up to work on this.
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> Ivan pointed out that we should see if anyone else wants to help or
> whether this should be a full SC effort.
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> I’d like to get a public email group setup if we are going to do this in a
> smaller group than the SC so that we can have visibility and get that
> discussion going and possibly a call set for next week if we think we could
> move faster by actually talking.
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> Thoughts?
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> Liisa
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