Re: Oct. 24th PBG meeting

Luc and Tzviya-

Thanks so much for that!  My apologies for letting my folks insist that a doc they had from a year ago was still accurate. I should have pushed that they test this before letting me say it.

Now the challenge of getting a retailer to understand and accept an ARIA role. Wish me luck!

Liisa

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Date: Monday, October 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM
To: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>, "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Oct. 24th PBG meeting

Hi Liisa,

I confirm ! I did check on several EPUB3 file with epub:type and ARIA role attributes and they are valid with today’s epubcheck version.

Best,
Luc

De : "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>>
Date : lundi 23 octobre 2017 à 16:25
À : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com<mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com<mailto:Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com>>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
Objet : RE: Oct. 24th PBG meeting
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Renvoyer - Date : lundi 23 octobre 2017 à 16:25

Hi Liisa,

Since the ARIA roles are valid HTML, they do pass epubcheck. Please let me know if you run into any problems.

Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>

From: McCloy-Kelley, Liisa [mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 10:19 AM
To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>>; Johnson, Rick <Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com<mailto:Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com>>; W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Oct. 24th PBG meeting

Tzviya-

Thanks for the background.

But that gets me to the timing thing. I need to solve this problem NOW. And at the moment I can’t use that coding and have it pass epubcheck. Which means I can’t put it in the market and insist that retailers start to support it.

And what about blindnotes? There is no ARIA role for that and we need something right now to note it so that retailers stop putting through corrections and suppressions insisting that we “fix the links”.

All stuff to work on.

Liisa


From: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>>
Date: Monday, October 23, 2017 at 9:21 AM
To: "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com<mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com<mailto:Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com>>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: Oct. 24th PBG meeting

Hi Liisa,

I definitely agree about this.

Please note that for this specific item, DPUB-ARIA includes role=”endnote” [1], and we had a great deal of discussion about whether positioning was about style or structure. I recommend pushing the user agents to build any semantic-based behaviors on ARIA, not epub:type.

For further reference, please see [2], which gained no traction in the HTML world, and [3].

I’d be happy to discuss this issue further.
Tzviya


[1] https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/#doc-endnote<https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/#doc-endnote>
[2] https://github.com/halindrome/html-notes<https://github.com/halindrome/html-notes>
[3] https://discourse.wicg.io/t/explicit-footnote-or-expansion-links/1256<https://discourse.wicg.io/t/explicit-footnote-or-expansion-links/1256>

Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>

From: McCloy-Kelley, Liisa [mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 8:21 AM
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Subject: Re: Oct. 24th PBG meeting

All-

I have put down a topic I’d like to spearhead called “Gathering content/implementation requirements across sectors”. If you can think of a better name for it, awesome.

The basic gist is that I looked at this grid and thought “why would someone who wasn’t already one of us want to join one of these?” and was concerned that there aren’t a lot of opportunities on here for people who are new to this work and who have particular problems to solve. I’m trying to give them a place. Some of this may ultimately dovetail with best practices, some may generate work for the PWG or the Community group.

And I’m ready to tackle getting some pretty specific stuff off the ground. For example, the bee in my bonnet over the past few weeks has been related to notes. We currently in the EPUB world have an epub:type for footnotes, but we don’t have a good way to call out blindnotes and endnotes. We could use “rearnote,” but that has been deprecated. We need to do something for accessibility purposes.  And in the meantime, reading systems are displaying footnote popups in a dozen terrible ways that aren’t at all what authors and publishers want. Gathering the requirements for expectations and desires seems like it could help this along.

Thanks!

Liisa


From: "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com<mailto:Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com>>
Date: Friday, October 20, 2017 at 10:38 PM
To: W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
Subject: Oct. 24th PBG meeting
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Resent-Date: Friday, October 20, 2017 at 10:39 PM

As a reminder, the meeting this Tuesday will be a discussion about areas for the PBG to go next.  I would also like for Bill M. to talk about what the plans are for the (potential?  Scheduled?) meeting of the PBG at TPAC.

I will be sending out the current state of the google doc below as the agenda for Tuesday’s meeting.  Essentially each person/team for each row should take 3-5 minutes to talk about what they want the PBG to do, and how to solicit involvement from the members.  The goal is that these groups will be meeting on an ad-hoc basis, with a monthly meeting of the PBG to talk about progress.

Thanks for signing up… it’s not too late for additional topics!

-Rick

From: "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com<mailto:Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:13 PM
To: W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Oct. 3 meeting

As discussed on the SC call of Oct. 3, 2017, we are going to align the activities of the publishing business group around specific task forces, to meet as needed, with a monthly gathering of the larger business group to coordinate.

It is critical, as the steering committee, that we each have an active role in one, or more of these task forces.  On the October 24th Business Group meeting we will roll this out, and have each of the champions (or the team of champions if more than one) will present their task force, and see if they can garner the support needed.

Please use the link below to add new possibilities, and to sign up for areas you want to be a champion for.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jpw0KA9StAnWZAaIMqnITmdSOchIZeQIvphX5AmAulg/edit?usp=sharing<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jpw0KA9StAnWZAaIMqnITmdSOchIZeQIvphX5AmAulg/edit?usp=sharing>



From: "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com<mailto:Rick.Johnson@ingramcontent.com>>
Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 at 8:08 AM
To: W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org<mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>
Subject: Oct. 3 meeting
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Resent-Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 at 8:08 AM

The publishing steering committee is meeting tomorrow (Oct. 3).

Agenda:
1.  Decisions on:
                -Meeting cadence (monthly?)
                -Next meeting date
2. Discussion about what the BG is, and what we want to have it work on.  Possibilities:
- Creating best practices
-  Getting answers to: -what are members doing now with EPUB?  -Where do they see themselves going?  -Is it a part of their growth strategy?  -What are their markets telling them?
- Forming a task force to interact with key W3C groups and bring recommendations back to the BG on how we can better work with them (how do we work with the other parts of the OWP at the W3C better)
- Forming a task force to promote and recruit publisher support and participation in the key activities (in addition to the groups, this includes EPUBcheck, EPUBtest, and other activities.  i.e. how do we ‘clean up’ things the need to be done)
- MathML/STEM recommendations
- Working on a ‘mini-SMIL’ rec-track
3.  George to present ISO recommendation of task force for SC approval
4.  Discussion of mini-SMIL potential rec-track work

noon eastern meeting time
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