Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme

And, alas, Vint got back to me in 30 min... but, he has conflicts both days
on the East Coast.

Sorry.

Best,
    Garth

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Garth Conboy <garth@google.com> wrote:

> Email sent.
>
> Best,
>    Garth
>
> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> My $.02 would be for you to strike while the iron is hot and ask him now
>> – I’m sure his schedule gets nailed down well in advance. BTW if we managed
>> to get Vint Cerf early our chances of getting TimO or ayone else of that
>> ilk will also increase (from past experience).
>>
>>
>>
>> To me digital preservation fits in very well with anything we have been
>> discussing as theme. Content that is accessible is also good grist for the
>> mill of machine processing is also good for long-term archival. Ironically,
>> “smart content” should be declarative, not programmatic, and “smart data”
>> should not be tied to a particular database model either. So open standards
>> for interoperable content should be (I would think) a good fit with digital
>> preservation.
>>
>>
>>
>> FWIW the “future of text” event scored some points with me when, as I was
>> trying to figure out what the heck it was really about - besides being Ted
>> Nelson’s last stand and a thing to promote this other dude’s weird ideas (
>> https://www.liquid.info/)  - I saw that the 2015 transcript was
>> distributed as EPUB - http://thefutureoftext.org/2015.html - yay! 😉
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW I don’t’ know if it’s a difference of American English vs. British
>> English, or just that I’ve been considering “text editing” and “word
>> processing” a dichotomy for the last 30 years, but the use of “text” and
>> especially “texts” in this event’s description etc. strikes me as odd. But
>> maybe that’s just a mental tic on my part and if so maybe we could use
>> “text” within our unifying theme. “content” is so vague as to encompass
>> movies, music, and games, “document” has issues, and “publication” (to me,
>> anyway) is too narrow for the full scope of our work to establish a
>> next-generation platform that gets everyone past the print-replica
>> non-Web-aligned format that shall not be named.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Garth Conboy [mailto:garth@google.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 13, 2017 9:10 AM
>>
>> *To:* Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>
>> *Cc:* George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>; Paul Belfanti <
>> Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>; McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <
>> lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>;
>> Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>; Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>;
>> Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>;
>> Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; PBG Steering Committee
>> (Public) <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>>
>>
>>
>> LMK when you think it's appropriate for me to reach out to Vint.   If
>> anything further on the theme wants to get nailed down first, fine.
>> Otherwise I can do so soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Both http://thefutureoftext.org/ stuff and his work on Digital
>> Preservation (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389)
>> could be relevant for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>     Garth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>> Garth (and all) re: Vint,
>>
>>
>>
>> First of all I am a believe that a) headliners do help sell tickets and
>> b) bluebird opportunities are the most likely way to get headliners for any
>> event that doesn’t have the funds to contact speakers bureaus and c) Vint
>> is someone I personally would love to hear from. So I like BillK 1+ the
>> idea of Garth seeing if we can get Vint interested.
>>
>>
>> One wrinkle though. It turns out he has a tie-in with
>> documents/publishing (among his many other interests) and has been a repeat
>> participant at a UK symposium on the “Future of Text” including apparently
>> being on the program this year. See: http://thefutureoftext.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> This recently came onto W3C radar because, for unknown reasons based on
>> Southampton University now hosting the UK office of W3C, W3C was listed as
>> a sponsor for the event upcoming in September without anyone at W3C having
>> anything to do with that. I confess I only listed his name as a headliner
>> because I had experienced a flash of jealousy when I heard that Vint Cerf
>> was speaking at an upcoming “W3C” event! 😉
>>
>>
>>
>> Garth, it seems Google is a financial backer of the event so maybe this
>> could somehow weave into an approach by you to Vint to speak at our event?
>> He could even talk about the same stuff?? At a minimum we should not be
>> trying to get Vint as a speaker while simultaneously bitching about
>> unapproved W3C branding on an event that while very academic is in the same
>> ballpark with which Vint apparently has a multi-year association.
>>
>>
>> FWIW the responsible person for W3C UK is Leslie Carr. But he seems to
>> only have a minor involvement in this particular symposium series. One of
>> his colleagues is the ringleader.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Garth Conboy [mailto:garth@google.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 5:32 PM
>> *To:* Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>
>> *Cc:* George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>; Paul Belfanti <
>> Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>; McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <
>> lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>;
>> Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>; Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>;
>> Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>;
>> Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; PBG Steering Committee
>> (Public) <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't count me in.  :-(   Conference planning is not in my wheelhouse...
>> and I have a bunch of other stuff going (as I'm sure we all do!).
>>
>>
>>
>> However, strangely, I am working on a project with Vint, so could ask him
>> -- speaking on one of his main foci, digital preservation, could be a
>> viable topic.  LMK.  Clearly no promises, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>    Garth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>> For everyone’s convenience and so we can keep track there is now a
>> program committee section on https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki
>> /PubSummit/Program - add away.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am wondering whether PBG-SC wants to discuss the theme/approach/goals
>> as a whole on Tues and then the PC can have a more focused discussion about
>> sessions/speakers? Or do folks want to delegate the whole enchilada to the
>> folks who want to be in the PC? Esteemed co-chairs, what do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW in re: goals, please note I have added something to that– *“**Assure
>> base in IDPF community that Publishing@W3C continues to be (is even more
>> of) a vibrant community, not just a place for developing technical
>> standards ... and reel them in if not already engaged.”* – this was my
>> paraphrase of a comment today from Jeff. He might even argue it should be
>> THE singular goal, since it is really the main opportunity this year for us
>> to do stuff beyond developing standards and if we don’t do that visibility,
>> and well at this conference folks could reasonably conclude that developing
>> standards is all Publishing@W3C is going to do. Jeff even suggested –
>> not necessarily seriously – that the event maybe shouldn’t even have W3C in
>> the name! (but understood the logic of promoting the new Publishing@W3C
>> brand).
>>
>>
>>
>> George, glad to hear no BiB to complicate things, that could open up some
>> other partnering opportunities (I added Internet Archive to the list of
>> possible external venues that’s on the main event page at
>> https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki/PubSummit  - BTW folks should feel free
>> to edit this page too.
>>
>>
>> Tzviya, Micah is both a dear friend and someone I love to listen to at
>> conferences but in event-speak he’s not a headliner. Maybe you were just
>> being cute but in case not, I don’t think a large number of people will buy
>> tickets just because Micah’s on the program and independent of what he’s
>> speaking about. To me headliners would be Tim O’Reilly, Arianna
>> Huffington,, Larry Page, anyone from Amazon or Apple. Maybe a Kara Swisher
>> or  a Nick Bilton or a Larry Lessig. Vint Cerf if you are a techie. Etc .
>> These are the folks who we could make a case to spring for a hotel room or
>> maybe even a flight. And I do want to budget a bit for that esp. since it’s
>> far from NYC. But I don’t think we can afford to spring for travel costs
>> for folks like Micah who are already in the tribe even ones we really want
>> to get on the program. Either the event itself is an attraction (as I know
>> it will be for Micah or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, if the PC wants to put together a program sans anchor headliners
>> that is fine of course and would greatly simplify the planning (landing
>> name speakers, even not so famous ones like Malcolm Gladwell, is a huge
>> pain in the butt, as is “handling” them en route and day-of). But if we are
>> going to appeal outside the ebooks ecosystem we should also realize that
>> our rock star speakers like Micah will not be known to a corporate
>> publisher used to going to Gilbane conferences to hear about the future of
>> publishing (and visa-versa). Only a very few folks like BillK traipse with
>> ease across the many fields of pubishing!
>>
>>
>>
>> --Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* George Kerscher [mailto:kerscher@montana.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 2:57 PM
>> *To:* 'Paul Belfanti' <Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>;
>> 'McCloy-Kelley, Liisa' <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; 'Dave
>> Cramer' <dauwhe@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 'Graham Bell' <graham@editeur.org>; 'Bill McCoy' <bmccoy@w3.org>;
>> 'Tzviya Siegman' <tsiegman@wiley.com>; 'Bill Kasdorf' <
>> bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; 'Karen Myers' <karen@w3.org>; 'Luc Audrain'
>> <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; 'PBG Steering Committee (Public)' <
>> public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* RE: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>>
>>
>>
>> Count me in, and B in Browsers on hold:
>>
>> Tweet from @naypinya
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Brantley @naypinya
>>
>>
>>
>> We’re putting Books in Browsers on hold for another year. Media
>>
>> landscape is evolving too rapidly! We’ll be back in 2018. #bib17
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul Belfanti [mailto:Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com
>> <Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>]
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 1:14 PM
>> *To:* McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; Dave
>> Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>; Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>;
>> Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>; George Kerscher <
>> kerscher@montana.com>; Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Karen
>> Myers <karen@w3.org>; Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; PBG
>> Steering Committee (Public) <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>>
>>
>>
>> You can count me in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> —
>>
>> Paul Belfanti
>>
>> Vice President, Production, Manufacturing & Content Architecture
>>
>> Ascend Learning
>>
>> (w) 978.639.3536 <(978)%20639-3536>
>>
>> (m) 201.783.4884 <(201)%20783-4884>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>
>> *Date: *Friday, May 12, 2017 at 1:08 PM
>> *To: *Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>,
>> Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, George Kerscher <
>> kerscher@montana.com>, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Karen
>> Myers <karen@w3.org>, Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, Paul
>> Belfanti <Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>, "PBG Steering Committee
>> (Public)" <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>>
>>
>>
>> So it would appear that the following people have volunteered for the
>> programming committee:
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> - Tzviya
>>
>> - Bill
>>
>> - Liisa
>>
>>
>>
>> Who else is with us?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Friday, May 12, 2017 at 12:55 PM
>> *To: *Microsoft Office User <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>
>> *Cc: *Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>,
>> Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, George Kerscher <
>> kerscher@montana.com>, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Karen
>> Myers <karen@w3.org>, Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, Paul
>> Belfanti <Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>, "PBG Steering Committee
>> (Public)" <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:23 PM, McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <
>> lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All-
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry I had to drop out of the discussion for the last 36 hours- it was
>> all the usual health and work stuff. Dang that day job.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to hear that. I hope all is well!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve tried to catch up this morning and wanted to throw in a few things
>> that I’m happy to put on the wiki if that helps.
>>
>>    1. I’m in agreement with those who think that plenary is the way to
>>    go and that panels are not always great. I’ve participated in and observed
>>    few panels over the years that I thought were engaging. Doing multiple
>>    tracks is more work and more to manage.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Short topical sessions would be my preference, with a large
>>    variety of 15-20 minute topics- this is one of the most successful things
>>    to me about BiB. No one gets a chance to fall asleep.
>>
>> This helps the audience, and it also helps the speakers focus on what's
>> important. But let's not have anyone drag a speaker off the stage after
>> precisely ten minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. The Pecha Kucha style lightening rounds at EPUB Summit were great
>>    and that might be a good way to get things going at that slow moment after
>>    lunch.
>>
>> Yeah, that was really quite fun! Great idea.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. I’m not sure that I think “keynote” speakers are worth it. There
>>    are few big names in all of this at this point who people would pay to come
>>    see.
>>
>> I've generally found the keynotes to be the least interesting part of any
>> conference I've attended.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Having a clear “networking space” for people to talk in if the
>>    current session wasn’t to their liking would be fantastic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes!
>>
>>
>>
>> As for themes, I feel like the overarching theme needs to be relatable,
>> sexy and interesting. We need something that is going to draw those folks
>> who think that “ebooks are done and over” and help them understand we’re
>> just getting started. There is so much more to do. This next evolution is
>> beyond anything we’ve seen in the last 18 years and has great potential.
>>
>>
>>
>> What if we did something like:
>>
>> - The Horizon of Digital Publishing: What You Need to Be Doing NOW, What
>> You Need to Be Considering SOON and How the Web Will Influence the Future
>> of Reading
>>
>>
>>
>> That way the sessions could be grouped:
>>
>> - Now- Accessibility, Adopt EPUB3, Why Standards Matter, The Shock of the
>> New
>>
>> - Soon(ish)- Better formatting, Connecting Publications to the Web
>>
>> - Future- EPUB 2027, PWP, web payments and all the amazing things
>>
>>
>>
>> I really like this framing. It allows us to cover lots of topics, but
>> gives a sense of where they fit in the proverbial "big picture."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This type of organization would help those who are never quite sure where
>> something falls in the time-space continuum and need to know that we have
>> to use this opportunity we have to push back the edges of the box we’re in.
>>  (and yes, you know there is one of those boxes on your doorstep right
>> now).
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If we could get someone to talk about studies of digital reading habits
>> with real info, that would be a HUGE draw for more publishing people. There
>> is so little info out there about this that is trustworthy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Micah has huge amounts of reading data, is totally awesome, and was one
>> of everyone's favorite speakers at ebookcraft. Just sayin' :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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