Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme

Email sent.

Best,
   Garth

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org> wrote:

> My $.02 would be for you to strike while the iron is hot and ask him now –
> I’m sure his schedule gets nailed down well in advance. BTW if we managed
> to get Vint Cerf early our chances of getting TimO or ayone else of that
> ilk will also increase (from past experience).
>
>
>
> To me digital preservation fits in very well with anything we have been
> discussing as theme. Content that is accessible is also good grist for the
> mill of machine processing is also good for long-term archival. Ironically,
> “smart content” should be declarative, not programmatic, and “smart data”
> should not be tied to a particular database model either. So open standards
> for interoperable content should be (I would think) a good fit with digital
> preservation.
>
>
>
> FWIW the “future of text” event scored some points with me when, as I was
> trying to figure out what the heck it was really about - besides being Ted
> Nelson’s last stand and a thing to promote this other dude’s weird ideas (
> https://www.liquid.info/)  - I saw that the 2015 transcript was
> distributed as EPUB - http://thefutureoftext.org/2015.html - yay! 😉
>
>
>
> BTW I don’t’ know if it’s a difference of American English vs. British
> English, or just that I’ve been considering “text editing” and “word
> processing” a dichotomy for the last 30 years, but the use of “text” and
> especially “texts” in this event’s description etc. strikes me as odd. But
> maybe that’s just a mental tic on my part and if so maybe we could use
> “text” within our unifying theme. “content” is so vague as to encompass
> movies, music, and games, “document” has issues, and “publication” (to me,
> anyway) is too narrow for the full scope of our work to establish a
> next-generation platform that gets everyone past the print-replica
> non-Web-aligned format that shall not be named.
>
>
>
> --Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Garth Conboy [mailto:garth@google.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 13, 2017 9:10 AM
>
> *To:* Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>
> *Cc:* George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>; Paul Belfanti <
> Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>; McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@
> penguinrandomhouse.com>; Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>; Graham Bell <
> graham@editeur.org>; Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>; Bill Kasdorf <
> bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>; Luc Audrain <
> LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; PBG Steering Committee (Public) <
> public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>
>
>
> LMK when you think it's appropriate for me to reach out to Vint.   If
> anything further on the theme wants to get nailed down first, fine.
> Otherwise I can do so soon.
>
>
>
> Both http://thefutureoftext.org/ stuff and his work on Digital
> Preservation (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31450389) could
> be relevant for us.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>     Garth
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org> wrote:
>
> Garth (and all) re: Vint,
>
>
>
> First of all I am a believe that a) headliners do help sell tickets and b)
> bluebird opportunities are the most likely way to get headliners for any
> event that doesn’t have the funds to contact speakers bureaus and c) Vint
> is someone I personally would love to hear from. So I like BillK 1+ the
> idea of Garth seeing if we can get Vint interested.
>
>
> One wrinkle though. It turns out he has a tie-in with documents/publishing
> (among his many other interests) and has been a repeat participant at a UK
> symposium on the “Future of Text” including apparently being on the program
> this year. See: http://thefutureoftext.org/
>
>
>
> This recently came onto W3C radar because, for unknown reasons based on
> Southampton University now hosting the UK office of W3C, W3C was listed as
> a sponsor for the event upcoming in September without anyone at W3C having
> anything to do with that. I confess I only listed his name as a headliner
> because I had experienced a flash of jealousy when I heard that Vint Cerf
> was speaking at an upcoming “W3C” event! 😉
>
>
>
> Garth, it seems Google is a financial backer of the event so maybe this
> could somehow weave into an approach by you to Vint to speak at our event?
> He could even talk about the same stuff?? At a minimum we should not be
> trying to get Vint as a speaker while simultaneously bitching about
> unapproved W3C branding on an event that while very academic is in the same
> ballpark with which Vint apparently has a multi-year association.
>
>
> FWIW the responsible person for W3C UK is Leslie Carr. But he seems to
> only have a minor involvement in this particular symposium series. One of
> his colleagues is the ringleader.
>
>
>
> --Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Garth Conboy [mailto:garth@google.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 5:32 PM
> *To:* Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>
> *Cc:* George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>; Paul Belfanti <
> Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>; McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@
> penguinrandomhouse.com>; Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>; Graham Bell <
> graham@editeur.org>; Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>; Bill Kasdorf <
> bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>; Luc Audrain <
> LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; PBG Steering Committee (Public) <
> public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Don't count me in.  :-(   Conference planning is not in my wheelhouse...
> and I have a bunch of other stuff going (as I'm sure we all do!).
>
>
>
> However, strangely, I am working on a project with Vint, so could ask him
> -- speaking on one of his main foci, digital preservation, could be a
> viable topic.  LMK.  Clearly no promises, though.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>    Garth
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org> wrote:
>
> For everyone’s convenience and so we can keep track there is now a program
> committee section on https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki/PubSummit/Program -
> add away.
>
>
>
> I am wondering whether PBG-SC wants to discuss the theme/approach/goals as
> a whole on Tues and then the PC can have a more focused discussion about
> sessions/speakers? Or do folks want to delegate the whole enchilada to the
> folks who want to be in the PC? Esteemed co-chairs, what do you think?
>
>
>
> BTW in re: goals, please note I have added something to that– *“**Assure
> base in IDPF community that Publishing@W3C continues to be (is even more
> of) a vibrant community, not just a place for developing technical
> standards ... and reel them in if not already engaged.”* – this was my
> paraphrase of a comment today from Jeff. He might even argue it should be
> THE singular goal, since it is really the main opportunity this year for us
> to do stuff beyond developing standards and if we don’t do that visibility,
> and well at this conference folks could reasonably conclude that developing
> standards is all Publishing@W3C is going to do. Jeff even suggested – not
> necessarily seriously – that the event maybe shouldn’t even have W3C in the
> name! (but understood the logic of promoting the new Publishing@W3C
> brand).
>
>
>
> George, glad to hear no BiB to complicate things, that could open up some
> other partnering opportunities (I added Internet Archive to the list of
> possible external venues that’s on the main event page at
> https://www.w3.org/Member/wiki/PubSummit  - BTW folks should feel free to
> edit this page too.
>
>
> Tzviya, Micah is both a dear friend and someone I love to listen to at
> conferences but in event-speak he’s not a headliner. Maybe you were just
> being cute but in case not, I don’t think a large number of people will buy
> tickets just because Micah’s on the program and independent of what he’s
> speaking about. To me headliners would be Tim O’Reilly, Arianna
> Huffington,, Larry Page, anyone from Amazon or Apple. Maybe a Kara Swisher
> or  a Nick Bilton or a Larry Lessig. Vint Cerf if you are a techie. Etc .
> These are the folks who we could make a case to spring for a hotel room or
> maybe even a flight. And I do want to budget a bit for that esp. since it’s
> far from NYC. But I don’t think we can afford to spring for travel costs
> for folks like Micah who are already in the tribe even ones we really want
> to get on the program. Either the event itself is an attraction (as I know
> it will be for Micah or not.
>
>
>
> Anyway, if the PC wants to put together a program sans anchor headliners
> that is fine of course and would greatly simplify the planning (landing
> name speakers, even not so famous ones like Malcolm Gladwell, is a huge
> pain in the butt, as is “handling” them en route and day-of). But if we are
> going to appeal outside the ebooks ecosystem we should also realize that
> our rock star speakers like Micah will not be known to a corporate
> publisher used to going to Gilbane conferences to hear about the future of
> publishing (and visa-versa). Only a very few folks like BillK traipse with
> ease across the many fields of pubishing!
>
>
>
> --Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* George Kerscher [mailto:kerscher@montana.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 2:57 PM
> *To:* 'Paul Belfanti' <Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>; 'McCloy-Kelley,
> Liisa' <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; 'Dave Cramer' <
> dauwhe@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 'Graham Bell' <graham@editeur.org>; 'Bill McCoy' <bmccoy@w3.org>;
> 'Tzviya Siegman' <tsiegman@wiley.com>; 'Bill Kasdorf' <
> bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; 'Karen Myers' <karen@w3.org>; 'Luc Audrain' <
> LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; 'PBG Steering Committee (Public)' <
> public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>
>
>
> Count me in, and B in Browsers on hold:
>
> Tweet from @naypinya
>
>
>
> Peter Brantley @naypinya
>
>
>
> We’re putting Books in Browsers on hold for another year. Media
>
> landscape is evolving too rapidly! We’ll be back in 2018. #bib17
>
>
>
>
>
> Best
>
> George
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Belfanti [mailto:Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com
> <Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 1:14 PM
> *To:* McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>; Dave
> Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>; Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>;
> Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>; George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>;
> Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>; Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>;
> Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; PBG Steering Committee (Public)
> <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>
>
>
> You can count me in.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> —
>
> Paul Belfanti
>
> Vice President, Production, Manufacturing & Content Architecture
>
> Ascend Learning
>
> (w) 978.639.3536 <(978)%20639-3536>
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> (m) 201.783.4884 <(201)%20783-4884>
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>
>
>
>
> *From: *"McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>
> *Date: *Friday, May 12, 2017 at 1:08 PM
> *To: *Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>,
> Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>,
> Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>,
> Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, Paul Belfanti <
> Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>, "PBG Steering Committee (Public)" <
> public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>
>
>
> So it would appear that the following people have volunteered for the
> programming committee:
>
> - Dave
>
> - Tzviya
>
> - Bill
>
> - Liisa
>
>
>
> Who else is with us?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, May 12, 2017 at 12:55 PM
> *To: *Microsoft Office User <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>
> *Cc: *Graham Bell <graham@editeur.org>, Bill McCoy <bmccoy@w3.org>,
> Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>,
> Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>,
> Luc Audrain <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, Paul Belfanti <
> Paul.Belfanti@ascendlearning.com>, "PBG Steering Committee (Public)" <
> public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: late incoming: Publishing@W3C Summit Theme
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:23 PM, McCloy-Kelley, Liisa <lmccloy-kelley@
> penguinrandomhouse.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All-
>
>
>
> Sorry I had to drop out of the discussion for the last 36 hours- it was
> all the usual health and work stuff. Dang that day job.
>
>
>
> Sorry to hear that. I hope all is well!
>
>
>
>
>
> I’ve tried to catch up this morning and wanted to throw in a few things
> that I’m happy to put on the wiki if that helps.
>
>    1. I’m in agreement with those who think that plenary is the way to go
>    and that panels are not always great. I’ve participated in and observed few
>    panels over the years that I thought were engaging. Doing multiple tracks
>    is more work and more to manage.
>
> Yep.
>
>
>
>
>    1. Short topical sessions would be my preference, with a large variety
>    of 15-20 minute topics- this is one of the most successful things to me
>    about BiB. No one gets a chance to fall asleep.
>
> This helps the audience, and it also helps the speakers focus on what's
> important. But let's not have anyone drag a speaker off the stage after
> precisely ten minutes.
>
>
>
>
>    1. The Pecha Kucha style lightening rounds at EPUB Summit were great
>    and that might be a good way to get things going at that slow moment after
>    lunch.
>
> Yeah, that was really quite fun! Great idea.
>
>
>
>
>    1. I’m not sure that I think “keynote” speakers are worth it. There
>    are few big names in all of this at this point who people would pay to come
>    see.
>
> I've generally found the keynotes to be the least interesting part of any
> conference I've attended.
>
>
>
>
>    1. Having a clear “networking space” for people to talk in if the
>    current session wasn’t to their liking would be fantastic.
>
>
>
> Yes!
>
>
>
> As for themes, I feel like the overarching theme needs to be relatable,
> sexy and interesting. We need something that is going to draw those folks
> who think that “ebooks are done and over” and help them understand we’re
> just getting started. There is so much more to do. This next evolution is
> beyond anything we’ve seen in the last 18 years and has great potential.
>
>
>
> What if we did something like:
>
> - The Horizon of Digital Publishing: What You Need to Be Doing NOW, What
> You Need to Be Considering SOON and How the Web Will Influence the Future
> of Reading
>
>
>
> That way the sessions could be grouped:
>
> - Now- Accessibility, Adopt EPUB3, Why Standards Matter, The Shock of the
> New
>
> - Soon(ish)- Better formatting, Connecting Publications to the Web
>
> - Future- EPUB 2027, PWP, web payments and all the amazing things
>
>
>
> I really like this framing. It allows us to cover lots of topics, but
> gives a sense of where they fit in the proverbial "big picture."
>
>
>
>
>
> This type of organization would help those who are never quite sure where
> something falls in the time-space continuum and need to know that we have
> to use this opportunity we have to push back the edges of the box we’re in.
>  (and yes, you know there is one of those boxes on your doorstep right
> now).
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
>
> If we could get someone to talk about studies of digital reading habits
> with real info, that would be a HUGE draw for more publishing people. There
> is so little info out there about this that is trustworthy.
>
>
>
> Micah has huge amounts of reading data, is totally awesome, and was one of
> everyone's favorite speakers at ebookcraft. Just sayin' :)
>
>
>
> Dave
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