Re: Running headers/footers / new version of DPUB-ARIA?

Sounds good.
- How about doc-pageheader and doc-pagefooter?
- Possible definition: repeated section of text that appears at the
top/bottom of pages in a document, potentially containing a title, page
number or other information
- Should the page number get its own role, e.g. doc-pagenum? Should it
exist within the doc-pageheader/doc-page-footer?
- Should the new roles inherit from contentinfo?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:05 AM White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:

> If there’s already a mapping to accessibility APIs via PDF readers, then
> we could use it here too.
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> Screen readers could offer a command to query this information, if
> desired, just as there is for window titles.
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> *From: *Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 21:45
> *To: *George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>, 'Aaron Leventhal' <
> aleventhal@google.com>, "public-publ-wg@w3.org" <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Cc: *'Joanmarie Diggs' <jdiggs@igalia.com>
> *Subject: *Re: Running headers/footers / new version of DPUB-ARIA?
> *Resent-From: *<public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 21:45
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> FWIW: Headers & Footers can be properly identified in PDFs and exposed
> accordingly to AT (so that they aren’t read multiple times).  In fact,
> PDF/UA (the PDF standard for Universal Accessibility) calls out their usage.
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> Leonard
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> *From: *"kerscher@montana.com" <kerscher@montana.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 4:35 PM
> *To: *'Aaron Leventhal' <aleventhal@google.com>, "public-publ-wg@w3.org" <
> public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Cc: *'Joanmarie Diggs' <jdiggs@igalia.com>
> *Subject: *RE: Running headers/footers / new version of DPUB-ARIA?
> *Resent-From: *<public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 4:35 PM
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> Hello,
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> This is just my opinion. Running headers and footers are very intrusive
> while reading. I encounter these many times in PDF documents. The same
> information is constantly repeated. Fortunately, I do not encounter this
> while reading EPUB. I can understand that it might be useful for the
> Reading System to provide “where am I?” information as one is reading, but
> including this over-and-over again in the content would be horrible.
>
> I am reading using Assistive Technology (AT) and the TTS reads to me. I
> imagine this would also be painful if a person was using the read aloud
> function in Reading Systems.
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> I could see the same problem in an audio book. Nobody would want to hear
> those running heads and footers in the audio book.
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> My $.02
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> Best
>
> George
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>
> Best
>
> George
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> *From:* Aaron Leventhal <aleventhal@google.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:37 AM
> *To:* public-publ-wg@w3.org
> *Cc:* Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
> *Subject:* Running headers/footers / new version of DPUB-ARIA?
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>
> Hi all,
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> I'm wondering about the plans for doing DPUB-ARIA 2.0 as described under
> the deliverables:
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> https://www.w3.org/2017/04/publ-wg-charter/#deliverables
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2017%2F04%2Fpubl-wg-charter%2F%23deliverables&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C7e4c7b9724114d918a4408d725d93e36%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637019487312874610&sdata=9H73bI8vtn9JbDPnqYieMNjeAJYIbIGMpjbab1CdqyA%3D&reserved=0>
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> Thanks for what DPUB-ARIA provides so far. Google Docs is going to be
> using it  to expose semantics for online word processing. We're
> collaborating with AT vendors and other developers of online word
> processors as well.
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> One gap is running headers and footers:
> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-aria/issues/10
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fdpub-aria%2Fissues%2F10&data=02%7C01%7Cjjwhite%40ets.org%7C7e4c7b9724114d918a4408d725d93e36%7C0ba6e9b760b34fae92f37e6ddd9e9b65%7C0%7C0%7C637019487312884609&sdata=6xRJGvSpHdV0dzzUI%2BBIM8L6dPMj%2FqtpFsFrsPdOV3Y%3D&reserved=0> --
> hence the reason for my email and status check :)
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> Thanks for any info,
>
> Aaron
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