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RE: Some options for vertically-scrollable manga (was re: Dropbox has epub viewer)

From: Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 12:37:03 +0000
To: "Xu, Zheng | KGB" <zheng.xu@rakuten.com>, Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com>, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
CC: "jpyle@atypon.com" <jpyle@atypon.com>, Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com>, W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>, Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>
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Hi All,

Perhaps this discussion should be taking place on the EPUB 3 email list (EPUB 3 Community Group public-epub3@w3.org<mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>)?

Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>

From: Xu, Zheng | KGB [mailto:zheng.xu@rakuten.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:06 PM
To: Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com>; MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
Cc: jpyle@atypon.com; Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com>; W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>; Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>
Subject: Re: Some options for vertically-scrollable manga (was re: Dropbox has epub viewer)


IMO it's important that new concept of content will not be broken for reading system that not ready to support it yet.

Also, for extension of existed content how easier to let creator avoid duplication work (for example someone already created a normal comic book if he need to create the other one for vertical-scroll).



Base on this, I would like to see vertical scroll supported by https://w3c.github.io/publ-cg/guides/region-nav-markup.html, the benefit is we just need one version of content. For reading system that not ready to support it still can let user read this book comfortable.



How can user purchase two version of same comic just because one of them can support vertical-scroll and better for small screen but the other is definitely better for large screen?



Thanks,

Zheng



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From: Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com<mailto:daniel.weck@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 6:42:36 AM
To: MURATA Makoto
Cc: jpyle@atypon.com<mailto:jpyle@atypon.com>; Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL; W3C Publishing Working Group; Florian Rivoal
Subject: Re: Some options for vertically-scrollable manga (was re: Dropbox has epub viewer)

For what it's worth, option #1 (reflow scroll-doc) rendered by Readium and EPUB.js:

Readium:
https://readium.firebaseapp.com/?epub=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fs%2Fcvnlyf9vzo7mbx9%2FtorinomeRev.epub

EPUB.js:
https://futurepress.github.io/epubjs-reader/?bookPath=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropboxusercontent.com%2Fs%2Fcvnlyf9vzo7mbx9%2FtorinomeRev.epub

Also, for the curious amongst us, here is a pretty-print of the "Readium WebPub Manifest" generated from Makoto's EPUB (the resource links are browsable):
https://readium2.now.sh/pub/aHR0cHM6Ly9kbC5kcm9wYm94dXNlcmNvbnRlbnQuY29tL3MvY3ZubHlmOXZ6bzdtYng5L3Rvcmlub21lUmV2LmVwdWI=/manifest.json/show/all

Note that the above URLs link directly to the EPUB file in DropBox (i.e. non-exploded, whole zip file), so there may be some latency.
Daniel



On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 at 03:46, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp<mailto:eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>> wrote:
Folks,

I am starting a new thread about vertically-scrollable manga.
Vertically-scrollable manga started several years ago, but it is about
to prevail.  However, different players use different formats now.

I made a few prototypes:

1) A single HTML version, rendition:layout=reflowable,
   rendition:flow=scrolled-doc
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvnlyf9vzo7mbx9/torinomeRev.epub?dl=0

2) Multiple HTML file, rendition:layout=pre-paginated,
   rendition:flow=scrolled-continuous

https://www.dropbox.com/s/07khe3bu64cfxx2/torinomeSC.epub?dl=0

3) Multiple HTML file, rendition:layout=reflowable,
   scrolled-continuous

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qfyumqfh9fe03n/torinomeReflowSC.epub?dl=0

In my opinion, 1) is the best.  It does not use any EPUB-specific
features.  If you unzip this EPUB and click the HTML document, you
will get the same result.

I am wondering if 2) is actually asking for a non-conformant
behavior.  Should the document be rather resized so that it fits in
the screen?

My memo for promoting 1) is available at

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_mab1YECyJegt5oZF8PmJl2RxZqcgPui4gnPksJ4yoA/edit#heading=h.krwuslpy0ros

and

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lPDFOpxet3Plt82ginR5D4LEiJ2FPjr07pRDb_wyjH4/edit#heading=h.50udxypynuwj


I did this experiment more than one year ago.  I believe that a
consensus in the industry is strongly needed right now.

How do people feel?  Perhaps, this is a nice topic for the upcoming
workshop in Tokyo in September.

Regards,
Makoto
Received on Friday, 22 June 2018 12:37:31 UTC

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