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Re: Why a default reading order?

From: Fabrizio Venerandi <fabrizio.venerandi@quintadicopertina.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 11:02:41 +0200
Cc: W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <1A28C430-2CF9-417C-A39D-F84894DB0EBA@quintadicopertina.com>
To: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Thank you for the answer and link to the thread I missed.
I’ll read all the discussion and the github issue.


> Il giorno 07 ago 2017, alle ore 10:30, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr> ha scritto:
> Copying the W3C Publishing Working Group.
> I encourage you to read the mail thread « definition of Web Publication »
> where this has been discussed.
> There is also a github issue open by Dave Cramer [1] where you could
> contribute.
> Luc
> [1] https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/14
> Le 07/08/2017 09:47, « Fabrizio Venerandi »
> <fabrizio.venerandi@quintadicopertina.com> a écrit :
>> Hi,
>> I think “no default” could be the better option. What is the “default
>> order” in Wikipedia, for example?
>> The problems with having an "order by default” are imho two:
>> a) with a default order "by default” (sorry) the digital publication is
>> still designed as a “book”. So we will have more “digitalised books”
>> instead “digital publications”.
>> b) the bigger one: I fear the reader’s support for non linear digital
>> publications will still be a mess. I’m not only talking about the
>> problems for have “closed islands” of information connected only by link,
>> but also of the inappropriate technologies about rendering. For example:
>> Ibooks, when a ebook is opened, is pre-paging all the ebook in
>> background. This is cool for a “digitalised book”, but is inappropiate
>> for a digital publications. Why paginate “pages” I’ll never reach? And
>> what if, in "first page", I touch a link that brings me in the "last
>> page" of the DP? The "default order” forces Ibooks to paginate the ebook
>> following it, "page after page" and not the order the reader will use
>> moving inside the publication. The concept of “first page” or “last page”
>> in a digital publication is quite silly.
>> Fabrizio
>>> Il giorno 07 ago 2017, alle ore 09:22, AUDRAIN LUC
>>> <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr> ha scritto:
>>> Hi,
>>> When you say « a digital publication that allow *multiple* reading order
>>> by default », which one is he default?
>>> Or do you mean there is no default?
>>> The possibly of multiple reading order is an interesting use case.
>>> I don¹t see that having one by default hinder that possibility.
>>> Luc
>>> Le 07/08/2017 08:56, « Fabrizio Venerandi »
>>> <fabrizio.venerandi@quintadicopertina.com> a écrit :
>>>> Hi, 
>>>> I¹d like to share my perplexity about the recent definition about the
>>>> reading order in digital publication:
>>>> ³The default reading order is the static progression through the
>>>> primary
>>>> resources defined in the manifest by the creator of a Web Publication.
>>>> A
>>>> user might follow alternative pathways through the content, but in the
>>>> absence of such interaction the default reading order defines the
>>>> expected progression from one primary resource to the next.²
>>>> Our publisher house is creating ebooks in ePub from 2010, and one of
>>>> big
>>>> limit in creating native digital ebook is the ³book² notion of ³default
>>>> reading order². There is not a ³default reading order² in a website,
>>>> but
>>>> I need to allow one in a digital publication. This prevents me to build
>>>> an ebook with several different "reading order² without the risk the
>>>> reader can fall from one to another one. I can not set a rule for a
>>>> chapter for ³don't go in another chapter when the user turn the last
>>>> page². So, I can use the atomic complexity of a website for a digital
>>>> publication, but I have to pray the user will use my hyperlink and does
>>>> not turn the pages, because I have to ³flat down² my atomic resource
>>>> to a
>>>> linear book. Also, the concept of ³default reading order² caused a lot
>>>> a
>>>> misunderstanding for how handle the ³non default² chapters in ebook.
>>>> The
>>>> Œlinear-no¹ support in ePub and EPUB3 is a mess: someone handles it as
>>>> a
>>>> pop-up, someone like a normal chapter (but does not remember the page I
>>>> was reading if I close the ebook), someone like a separate atom (but
>>>> if I
>>>> turn the last page I will ³fall² in another chapter), someone does not
>>>> support linear-no at all. Et ceterae.
>>>> I hope the working group could still think about a digial pubblication
>>>> that allow *multiple* reading order by default, and not a single one.
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Fabrizio Venerandi
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